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  1. #1
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    Return kills 2 machines

    We were called out to replace a 2YO goodman, that replaced a 2-3YO Rheem, 5 tons previously installed, heatload called for 3.7 ton. Found this return, side entry, this is all the return to this machine, how did the first two companies miss this?
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    wow

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    I cant leave a job unless I feel good about it. Doesnt matter if its changing a unit or a condenser fan motor.

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    Wow x100

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    Quote Originally Posted by coilcleaner View Post
    wow

  6. #6
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    I posted about this same topic earlier in another thread. Many techs, do not have any real training on manual j or d. Many techs overlook these type of issues due to ignorance. I have found it common in the field got techs to use generic figures when dealing with duct sizing and airflow performance. But on short its not likely a tech installed that, but he definitely should have found it.

  7. #7
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    Like when you say killed you mean cracked heat exchanger?

    How would you ever get a proper heat rise out of the thing with a return like that ?Throw in a dirty filter and that thing would be tripping like crazy. The first 2 install's where done by hacks

  8. #8
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    what! who needs return air any how, its just more work for us"hackers" haha <-JOKING

    Im thinking the home owner did it himself! no tech would ever do this type of work! Maybe a hacker, i doubt it! someone without a licenses is totally responsible for this one 100 %
    Something i would do for this customer is to actually show him how a proper furnace runs proper air flow and drill it in that changing a filter on a reg basis is really important!
    Hope they call you back for a maintenace in a few years.
    Get er Done!

    Do what has to be done
    when it has to be done
    as well as it has to be done
    And doing it all the time.

  9. #9
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    Just the sound of the machine would have been hard to miss. If that were one of mine, I'd have heard it screaming in pain from a block away.
    Carpe Carp~ Seize the carp

  10. #10
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    that is bad ...really bad

  11. #11
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    ahh, installers. they know how to put a & b together, but know nothing in between. plus, if they get done early, they still get paid for the full 8 hours. and they never have to see the system ever again once they're "complete". put em on the on-call rotation, that'll put a stop to this nonsense!!!!
    You have to pay your due's before you pay the rent!

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    Sometimes after seeing things like this, I am amazed, but then again
    sometimes I am not.

    Just common sense, and walking around listening, and feeling for airflow
    will give you a good picture right off the bat.

  13. #13
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    I have seen work like that. Once I Found top take-offs on whole trunkline
    screwed to duct by tabs. The installer cut an X on top of duct w/screwdriver.
    Then screwed on top take offs. Had another they hung the duct with 1/2 zip screws. I would find this kinda stuff in newer construction residential neighborhoods when doing service calls. Hacks. No pride in there work.
    Sorry no pics.

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