View Poll Results: Which brand(s) of ducted residential HVAC Equipment do you currently carry

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  • American Standard

    15 18.07%
  • Bryant

    9 10.84%
  • Carrier

    23 27.71%
  • Goodman/Amana

    20 24.10%
  • ICP (Comfortmaker, Heil, Tempstar, Arcoaire)

    13 15.66%
  • Lennox

    19 22.89%
  • Nordyne (Maytag, Frigidaire, Tappan, Westinghouse)

    10 12.05%
  • Rheem/Ruud

    18 21.69%
  • Trane

    22 26.51%
  • Whirlpool

    1 1.20%
  • York

    12 14.46%
  • Other

    14 16.87%
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  1. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinAdv View Post
    No I don't say anything but I have had to straighten a lot of fins of the condensers because there own coil guards rub on the coils and there air handler doors screws come stripped out from the factory. Oh yeah and taking the top off a package unit to inspect the coil and it pretty much falls apart.

    But if they ask me my opinion of goodman I am not going to tell them its a quality product.

    The components are okay but they are made of the thinnest metal and just thrown together. I also don't know why you would want a unit that still has a piston MD. In our market you get a goodman because A thats what the builder used or B you want it done cheap.

    There are plenty of Hvac companys that will do it cheap. But we take the time to do it right and make sure the duct system is right for the system and the equipment is the right size for the house

    For people who cant afford a trane we offer ICP my only complaints with those is the coil guards rattle on the package units.
    There was about a year where the louvers were too close to the coils and damaged the fins, but that has been resolved. I agree with the stripped out screws, but not a bad enough issue to hate the brand.

    In my heat pump Frankensystem I am using a nominal 3.5 ton 13 SEER indoor Goodman coil with an Amana ECM blower section connected to a 14.5 SEER rated Luxair heat pump. It has been working really great for two years now, and I am still running it with a piston in the indoor coil. Go figure. Seems like some of us don't have the issues with brands that others have....
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
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  2. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinAdv View Post
    Also I just tuned up goodman yesterday when I was done she was running like a champ the original "quality" installer never bothered to add any refrigerant for the 60' line set
    See there! It isn't the brand, it's the installation.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


  3. #68
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    we carry Lennox and York.....

  4. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Amana was only ever sold to Goodman.
    Yes but I think after that Goodman was gobbled up and the line began saving even more money.

  5. #70
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    In order from most to least; Lennox, Trane, Goodman, Carrier, and Rheem. Carrier is crawling back into the race with their 90% and multi-stage equipment. Used to carry York and Payne but phased them out.

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  6. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glennhvac View Post
    Amana when it was top o the line before it got sold and resold. Now Ruud.


    We see a lot of old Amanas chugging along here.

    I don't know for sure when they where purchased by Gooman, but we are replacing heat exchangers all the time on Amanas from around 1999 and newer. Some of them only 6 years old! I am down to an hour for an AMH, AMS or AMV HX changeout.

    What is real nice (sarcasm), is the Amana came with SS heat exchanger, but when you buy a replacement under warranty it is just an aluminized.

  7. #72
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    Hmm

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckcrj View Post


    We see a lot of old Amanas chugging along here.

    I don't know for sure when they where purchased by Gooman, but we are replacing heat exchangers all the time on Amanas from around 1999 and newer. Some of them only 6 years old! I am down to an hour for an AMH, AMS or AMV HX changeout.

    What is real nice (sarcasm), is the Amana came with SS heat exchanger, but when you buy a replacement under warranty it is just an aluminized.
    that seems wrong

  8. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by carmon View Post
    that seems wrong
    Probably cause the SS process was why they were cracking or splitting or whatever is happening to them. Lennox began doing the same things with their coated Duracracks.


    I probably have fifty Amana units from 20 years ago still running with the original inducers. The kind that needed Anderoil that seldom get oiled. IMHO one of the better 80% units ever made. Period.

  9. #74
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    No, it isn't the SS part that fails. It is the hot side of the secondary, or recoup coil. Right where the tubular primary enters the secondary. The part that rusts through is the non SS part of the secondary. Notice all the flaked off rust. About 85% of them are 2 stage models, and 15% single stage. And about 70% are LP and 30% are NG. The NG and LP models fail in the same way and there is no noticeable difference between the two when you take them apart.

    Two different conditions are contributing to this failure. One is the post purge is too short on the inducer motor allowing the corrosive flue gases to remain in the HX after post purge where they can eat the metal. Another problem is that they are badly underfired, for example a 90KBTU usually is only firing at 75K to 85K at factory settings. This allows some condensing in the hot side of the secondary, especially on the 2 stage models.
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  10. #75
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    Thanks for the info and pics.

  11. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glennhvac View Post
    Thanks for the info and pics.
    No problem.

    They are tough to see on an inspection, especially with an A-coil on top. They start tripping rollouts eventually. You can see it with a combustion analyzer too.

  12. #77
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    Smile

    Iwoke up from a weekend of fun with a Rockin' B branded on my right rear cheek. Never figured out who did that.

  13. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by crymtide View Post
    Iwoke up from a weekend of fun with a Rockin' B branded on my right rear cheek. Never figured out who did that.
    It was Bob! He just didn't have time to put another b on the other cheek so that when you bent over it spelled his name....

    .).. (
    (BoB)
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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