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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    You should tell your grandparents to shut the H**l up! Who needs those old folks anyway. They must be a drag on your life.

    That bending of the Constitution has happened many times before in the history of the US. Our President has a right to tighten liberties up such as free passage, communication interference of all sorts including wire taps and the like and giving the military and police type folks more powers to assemble evidence towards future harm to the US by individuals and organizations.

    Ironically, obama raised a ruckus about President Bush bending the rules for obtaining information then took the product of President Bush's information gathering which found Ben Ladin (whatever) and stood on many platforms taken bows for taking him out.

    After WWII many still took advantage of the power or our federal government which started such things as the McCarthy error, which was a shame. And it took many years before he and his kind was brought back into shape.

    But these are all war stories of the past and I'm sure you will believe that they absolutely have nothing to do with today so I must be boring to you...also.
    No you are not boring me and the old folks are all dead and buried anyway LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    No you are not boring me and the old folks are all dead and buried anyway LOL
    OK, so that's almost too funny.
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
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    But on the other hand, give em an inch....

    I think you are very right to safeguard your rights as much as you can. The only problem with some people is that the blinders don't let them see some positive things that can be added to the mix.

    I remember the old Star Trek episode where Kirk lands on some planet and someone is holding some sacred revered text in his hands. He has no idea what it means and it takes Kirk to explain the declaration of independence to him.

    Sometimes I think there are a lot of people like that out there with only one understanding and no capacity to see another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    No one denies that the c**p that happened at 911 was a major kick in the knobies but I still think Cheney went too far and used the attack to justify a lot of stuff that was not warranted, Iraq comes to mind. A lot of people were hoodwinked but all the laws that were necessary to protect the country already existed. They just needed to be more vigilant.

    And i have listened ad nauseum for years to my grandparents when they talked about the depression and fighting in Europe during WWII (the big one, as Archie would say), and from my friends father in the Dutch resistance who had to eat tulip bulbs and sawdust to stay alive.

    The Brits have had the h**l bombed out of them during the war and have had the IRA terrorizing them for years but they didn't say the things Bush/Rummy/Cheney said which struck a lot of panic in Americans. I believe they had an ulterior motive. He believed in Leo Strauss's "Big Lie" which said that the ordinary person needed to be told what they wanted to hear and that it was fine to lie to them to advance the speakers goals.

    Anyway, I think they did bend the constitution pretty far purposely ignored laws to further their goals. Now that that door is open, there is no closing it.
    As Americans, we don't care what you foreigners think. It's not like any other country had the nerve to stand up to Hussein after he defied the U.N. According to U.N. specifications for Iraq after the liberation of Kuwait, the U.N. should have done years before, what the U.S. did in Iraq.

    Who do you think you are to give opinions on the way a foreign country operates?
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    As Americans, we don't care what you foreigners think. It's not like any other country had the nerve to stand up to Hussein after he defied the U.N. According to U.N. specifications for Iraq after the liberation of Kuwait, the U.N. should have done years before, what the U.S. did in Iraq.

    Who do you think you are to give opinions on the way a foreign country operates?
    I always wondered why so many people dont like Americans? Now I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    I always wondered why so many people dont like Americans? Now I get it.
    There is no doubt, when it comes to foreigners dissing my country, I am an ugly American patriot.

    I put up with enough of that crap when I worked in Cayman. Every foreigner thinks they know what Americans should be like. That's just a load of bull as far as I am concerned.

    There is no way I would be so ignorant as to make criticizing comments about other countries to citizens of those countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    As Americans, we don't care what you foreigners think. It's not like any other country had the nerve to stand up to Hussein after he defied the U.N. According to U.N. specifications for Iraq after the liberation of Kuwait, the U.N. should have done years before, what the U.S. did in Iraq.

    Who do you think you are to give opinions on the way a foreign country operates?
    No one else did anything because no one else considered it to be a big enough problem. Most of these motions at the UN (a socialist organization BTW, surprised you care to consider anything it does or says) are US driven or on behalf of the US.

    Well you give lots of opinions about how systems from other countries that you don't have operate, so why should I not comment. And, BTW, a lot of Americans DO care what foreigners think. When I travel, I keep a couple of Canadian flag patches for Americans who don't want to be hassled just for that reason. They are a tad embarrassed by the attitude YOU have. Like it or not you are a big part of the global community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    There is no doubt, when it comes to foreigners dissing my country, I am an ugly American patriot.

    I put up with enough of that crap when I worked in Cayman. Every foreigner thinks they know what Americans should be like. That's just a load of bull as far as I am concerned.

    There is no way I would be so ignorant as to make criticizing comments about other countries to citizens of those countries.
    Excuse me!!!!!!............look back through many of your posts and you consistently do just that.

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    I remember when obama came here.......they shut down every exit to the interstate for miles and miles and miles.....and around the airport where I was at they shut down all roads to the airport and many surrounding roads.

    Luckily I got trapped at a convienience store at an exit. Saw some weird looking trucks travelling with the motorcade......dont know if they were like some kind of communications vehicles or if they had some kind of weapons in them...... Looked like those heavy duty trucks you see going down the road hauling dynamite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    No one else did anything because no one else considered it to be a big enough problem. Most of these motions at the UN (a socialist organization BTW, surprised you care to consider anything it does or says) are US driven or on behalf of the US.

    Well you give lots of opinions about how systems from other countries that you don't have operate, so why should I not comment. And, BTW, a lot of Americans DO care what foreigners think. When I travel, I keep a couple of Canadian flag patches for Americans who don't want to be hassled just for that reason. They are a tad embarrassed by the attitude YOU have. Like it or not you are a big part of the global community.
    Your accusation about me making commentaries on systems of other countries is a downright lie. Show one instance where I have been so ignorant as to condemn what another country does for it's own people.
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    Excuse me!!!!!!............look back through many of your posts and you consistently do just that.
    Put your money where your mouth is and show us!
    Government is a disease...
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    First to set the stage: all your thoughts.

    "Tolerance must come from all sides, elsewise, there is intolerance."

    "There is little difference between today's Socialist/Progressive and Marx/Lenin Communism."

    From this statement, I take it that you believe that the system in Sweden and Norway is as damaging to the citizens as Communism. In other words, you think it is intolerable.

    I like this one. If someone was a devout follower of yours, I might fear for my life.

    "The mindset of someone as exteme to the left as you are is appallingly pathetic. If your thinking was not so dangerous to the freedoms and rights of others, we might even be able to feel sorry for you. As it is, you have become more of a disease that must be diminished before you infect so many that we once again fail as a society."

    I will find the posts, and it may take some time but for a person who states that tolerance is king, you can have a very acerbic intolerant mouth. Now where is my soap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    First to set the stage: all your thoughts.

    "Tolerance must come from all sides, elsewise, there is intolerance."
    I stand by this statement. Your intolerance of Americans and the way the United States conducts our business is really not yours to even comment on.

    "There is little difference between today's Socialist/Progressive and Marx/Lenin Communism."
    The only thing I would make different about this statement is to reduce "little difference" to "no difference". Being a tolerant person, I will give today's leftist Socialists the benefit of the doubt.
    From this statement, I take it that you believe that the system in Sweden and Norway is as damaging to the citizens as Communism. In other words, you think it is intolerable.
    Not at all, and in no way have I even hinted to such. Whether a system another country employs is dangerous to that country or not is not my decision to make or even comment on negatively. I have repeated this factor of my thinking about other countries over and over, including stating that in some small and geographically limited countries, Communism even seems to work.

    You are projecting your intolerance onto me, and you are very wrong. I will admit to being intolerant of those who so ignorantly think they have some sort of right to tell others how to live.
    I like this one. If someone was a devout follower of yours, I might fear for my life.

    "The mindset of someone as exteme to the left as you are is appallingly pathetic. If your thinking was not so dangerous to the freedoms and rights of others, we might even be able to feel sorry for you. As it is, you have become more of a disease that must be diminished before you infect so many that we once again fail as a society."
    Being one of those I am referring to as an infection on society, you should fear for your life from those of us who prefer to eliminate infections in our society.

    I will find the posts, and it may take some time but for a person who states that tolerance is king, you can have a very acerbic intolerant mouth. Now where is my soap?
    You are very correct in stating that I am acerbic when it comes to people like you who think you have the right to tell others how to live. That is not intolerance, that is fighting against "YOUR" intolerance of others. So, as I stated before, you are correct in stating that I am intolerant of intolerance. Touche.
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