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    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    There can't be an absolute, though.

    As a non-religious person, I agree with the essence of your stance. To me, it is this simple; if you take something that will turn in to a human being, and make it so it will not turn in to a human being, what have you just done?

    Right. Exactly.

    To me, any other stance is a fairly weak and easy-to-see-though attempt at guilt relief.

    Nonetheless, extremes are almost always bad.

    We are not men if we simply lay down the law and follow what it says to the letter. Laws are never as simple as words on paper else we would not need trials, judges and juries who decide not only innocence or guilt but also the level of punishment should there be a guilty verdict.

    What if you come home and find a man with a smoking gun standing over your wife's lifeless body? Law says don't take matters in to your own hands and if your own life is not threatened don't retaliate. But if you do retaliate and just outright shoot the guy (even excessively) you are going to get some sympathy in the court room. Just the way it is, and, in fact, the way it should be.

    That's why we must always have and use the human element to use laws as a guide, not the end of the story.

    Same thing with abortion. Let's be clear; I will NEVER like it, but there are times that I will accept it.
    Wow! I must say that I have to agree with you on something. Well, maybe not the dead wife thing. Depends on whether I hired the guy or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Wow! I must say that I have to agree with you on something. Well, maybe not the dead wife thing. Depends on whether I hired the guy or not.
    Surely we've agreed on something before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    Surely we've agreed on something before!

    Beer is good.
    We actually agree on a lot of things when you are not being a stubborn antagonist of spiritual faith...
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    Religious ?

    The bible states that John, in the womb of Elizabeth lept at the announcement of Marys pregnancy with the Savior. (paraphrasing obviously). IN THE WOMB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makinhole View Post
    The bible states that John, in the womb of Elizabeth lept at the announcement of Marys pregnancy with the Savior. (paraphrasing obviously). IN THE WOMB
    This is true....about John the Baptist.

    Being someone who studies ancient theological writings, I have come to understand that what is not stated in ancient scriptures is as important to us as what is. With the availability of writing materials being scarce and expensive, those who wrote things down did not waste writing materials on things that were normal or readily understood by the peoples of the times of the writings. Only things that were out of the norm were put to writing.

    The very fact that this incident with John the Baptist was put into writing is strong evidence that what was being stated about John was very unusual. That is why it was worthy of being written about.
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    spin

    Unusual you mean for example, the number of rape pregnancies in comparison to consensual? My statement was to meant to introduce an example of a fetus, still on life support of the mother, acting of his own accord. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    This is true....about John the Baptist.
    Interestingly, John the Baptist was 26 weeks older than Jesus, so even today he would be considered a viable baby by that point. Hardly a zygote or blastocyst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makinhole View Post
    Unusual you mean for example, the number of rape pregnancies in comparison to consensual? My statement was to meant to introduce an example of a fetus, still on life support of the mother, acting of his own accord. ...
    And you did introduce the one example that is in the Bible. There is only one example because it was something that was out of the norm. In other words, that verse only applied to John the Baptist. There is nothing in the Bible stating when spirituallity enters human life.

    A fetus becomes a baby after it is born, away from the life support of the mother. No where is a fetus defined as a baby other then in the opinions of some who simply won't accept truths.
    1ba·by

    noun \ˈbā-bē\
    pluralbabies

    Definition of BABY

    1
    a (1): an extremely young child; especially: infant (2): an extremely young animal b: the youngest of a group

    2
    a: one that is like a baby (as in behavior) b: something that is one's special responsibility, achievement, or interest

    3
    slang a: girl, woman —often used in address b: boy, man —often used in address

    4
    : person, thing <is one tough baby>

    ba·by·hood \-bē-ˌhu̇d\noun
    ba·by·ish \-ish\adjective

    Examples of BABY

    1. I hear the baby crying.
    2. The baby is just learning to crawl.
    3. a bird and its babies
    4. My sister is the baby of the family.
    5. “Only 32? Oh, you're just a baby!”
    6. When it comes to getting shots, I'm a real baby.
    7. Don't be such a baby—you'll get your turn.
    8. Nothing's gone right since my baby went away.
    Origin of BABY

    Middle English, from babeFirst Known Use: 14th century


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    If a State has the right to allow same sex marriage then wouldnt they also have the right to stop abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cehs View Post
    What about the rights of LIFE, liberty and pursuit of happiness for the UNBORN???
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    did you read the article? what about saving the mother if the unborn is going to kill the mother.

    what about victims of rape? If your daughter gets raped, you think she should carry the rapists baby to term?

    what about artificial insemination, if the eggs are fertilized and then die, is that murder? If there were 10 eggs fertilized and 9 die, is that multiple counts of murder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorogas View Post
    If a State has the right to allow same sex marriage then wouldnt they also have the right to stop abortion?
    They should, but the Federal government has become so powerfully involved in states rights and in social affairs of American citizens (nearly subjects) that states rights are now about useless.

    We are no longer the "United" States of America, we are more like the "Union of Socialist Amerikans".
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    did you read the article? what about saving the mother if the unborn is going to kill the mother.

    what about victims of rape? If your daughter gets raped, you think she should carry the rapists baby to term?

    what about artificial insemination, if the eggs are fertilized and then die, is that murder? If there were 10 eggs fertilized and 9 die, is that multiple counts of murder?
    This is exactly why this needs to have federal government butt out and for insurance companies to have exceptions for abortions and/or additional premium costs for women who want to use abortion as a means of birth control.

    I personally am against most abortions after a few weeks, but I don't feel I have the right to dictate to others whether or not they should have the right to decide to have an abortion; AS LONG AS I AM NOT FINANCIALLY AFFECTED BY THEIR RIGHTS IN ANY WAY, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.
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