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    Quote Originally Posted by supertek65 View Post
    it is like the show survivor!



    if you are out numbered by the dumb guys?



    lets say there are 12 techs



    1 smart one,

    2 better than average

    7 below average

    2 absolute idiots



    you have to get a majority of the dummies to like you



    so there are basically 9 dummies



    you have to befriend 5 of them!



    if you do not then they will be scared and run you off!



    then you can start to shine a little but whatever you do not appear smarter than the 3 top guys!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I've worked with the best of the best, and I've worked with guys that will go as far as to sabotage your work. I would say it is about 50/50.
    New guy comes in and threatens that silver platter, all **ll can and probably will break loose.
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    OMG! LOL! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    dude, I read this and spit my drink out!!!!!!!!!!

    HHMM??????????????????????







    Quote Originally Posted by klove View Post
    You do realize that half the people in the world are below average, don't you?

    And have you ever stopped to consider that out of approximately 7 billion people on the earth, there's only one that can truly claim the title of "average"? Things that make you go HHMMM??......

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    There seems to be a misconception amongst employees, that employers are all some greedy bastards who have nothing better to do, than to connive ways to screw their employees.

    Hardly.

    While there may be exceptions, most employers long for the day that they have a good, solid crew of guys who work well together, treat the customers properly, and understand that the company must remain profitable for them to keep their jobs.

    An employer who recognizes an employee that is a "keeper" will usually do what it takes to keep them. Yes, we're busy....and you may need to remind us about that 30/60/90 day review after hire.

    But don't assume that we're all trying to screw you out of something.

    I've cleaned out enough trucks of employees who just left, either voluntarily or involuntarily, to have a good handle on just who is out to screw who.

    "Prove Yourself".....day in and day out.....and you'll be secure in your job. If you're a worthy employee, your employer won't want to risk your leaving. Simple as that.
    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

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    The simple old rule is "Show me" and that is all. If you are an idiot and show our customers that you are an idiot, then you'd better change your profession. I am professional, and expect you to be too. End of story...

    Sorry, ranting again... (but it was a really quick rant, wasn't it?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Markl View Post
    There seems to be a misconception amongst employees, that employers are all some greedy bastards who have nothing better to do, than to connive ways to screw their employees.

    Hardly.

    An employer who recognizes an employee that is a "keeper" will usually do what it takes to keep them. Yes, we're busy....and you may need to remind us about that 30/60/90 day review after hire.

    But don't assume that we're all trying to screw you out of something.

    Ok. Here is the problem John, at least for me.
    You keep an eye on a guy's performace, right? In your "busy" day you still have a handle on what is happening right?
    I, as the employee, shouldn't have to come to you, the boss, and remind you how to do your job. I see it as giving your boss lip, and I have always avoided giving the boss lip.

    I think a boss is more concerned in seeing what he can get away with, with his guys. How much he can "push buttons" and get away with it. I think "busy" is nothing but an excuse. Sure, I know the boss is a busy guy. So? A boss is never too busy to collect the check or too busy to chew butt....


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    Quote Originally Posted by freemind View Post
    Ok. Here is the problem John, at least for me.
    You keep an eye on a guy's performace, right? In your "busy" day you still have a handle on what is happening right?
    I, as the employee, shouldn't have to come to you, the boss, and remind you how to do your job. I see it as giving your boss lip, and I have always avoided giving the boss lip.

    I think a boss is more concerned in seeing what he can get away with, with his guys. How much he can "push buttons" and get away with it. I think "busy" is nothing but an excuse. Sure, I know the boss is a busy guy. So? A boss is never too busy to collect the check or too busy to chew butt....

    I have to agree with John. A quality employee has the upper hand. If you're average or below average just bend over and take it like a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freemind View Post
    Ok. Here is the problem John, at least for me.
    You keep an eye on a guy's performace, right? In your "busy" day you still have a handle on what is happening right?
    I, as the employee, shouldn't have to come to you, the boss, and remind you how to do your job. I see it as giving your boss lip, and I have always avoided giving the boss lip.

    I think a boss is more concerned in seeing what he can get away with, with his guys. How much he can "push buttons" and get away with it. I think "busy" is nothing but an excuse. Sure, I know the boss is a busy guy. So? A boss is never too busy to collect the check or too busy to chew butt....

    Obviously, no amount of explanation is going to make you believe that no one is out to screw you, and that employers are human, too. Has your boss NEVER had to remind you to do something that you already knew that you should do? So let's end this argument right here. It's time to put your money where your mouth is or be quiet. Belly up, quit your sniveling and whining, and shell out your money to start your business so that you can do things correctly and change the perception of the entire working world that their boss wants nothing more than to bend them over a barrel. You should do really well since you seem to know all the answers.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Markl View Post
    There seems to be a misconception amongst employees, that employers are all some greedy bastards who have nothing better to do, than to connive ways to screw their employees.

    "Prove Yourself".....day in and day out.....and you'll be secure in your job. If you're a worthy employee, your employer won't want to risk your leaving. Simple as that.
    there is no "misconception". I have 20some years of experience, paid my dues and proved myself. before joint the union worked for some dirtbags and they all love the "prove yourself" catch phrase, soon I realized there was nothing I could do to "prove myself" cause it was all a rigged game to get me low and keep low, I reached the point were as soon as the "prove yourself" crap came out during an interview I said no thanks and walk.
    The beauty about the union is that we get the money upfront per contract and if we dont prove ourselves later then we loose our jobs, there is no games or false promises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klove View Post
    Obviously, no amount of explanation is going to make you believe that no one is out to screw you, and that employers are human, too. Has your boss NEVER had to remind you to do something that you already knew that you should do? So let's end this argument right here. It's time to put your money where your mouth is or be quiet. Belly up, quit your sniveling and whining, and shell out your money to start your business so that you can do things correctly and change the perception of the entire working world that their boss wants nothing more than to bend them over a barrel. You should do really well since you seem to know all the answers.........
    You are the typical guy I have worked for ALL my life. There is no discussion about anything. You are ALWAYS right, in your own mind. You are the type to quickly chew butt for someone else's mistakes. Yet come up with the excuses when YOU screw up.

    Look, in today's modern world of electronic wonders, you have NO EXCUSE to "forget" raises and employee reviews. Hey, even a CALENDAR works still, right? It boils down to simply this: IF you are late with reviews and raises, you ARE screwing the employee.

    As far as forgetting stuff myself, no, I don't. When the bass man tells me he wants this or that done, I write it down on a sticky note. That note hangs in the upper left corner of my truck window. The excuse "I forgot" is lame and bosses typically don't really accept it as an excuse. They want RESULTS, not excuses. I can live with that. Wish THEY too lived by those rules.

    I don't know what your post's purpose serves, other than your weak attempt to belittle me. Do you have little man sydrome or something?

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    after 20 years its... give me my rate with a van i can be seen in and thats it.if they push that "prove yourself" crap its only one way to see if your a Fup like the exsisting % of the people they have working for them.experience scares people,with others are in wonder how much you know and how you handle cutomers and jobs.. it all a game...then you figure if you want to lower your standards to work for this bird.i have had jobs knowing at the sitdown these guys are A holes and their contracts reflected it..they might no tell you the personality of the company but the techs in the field will show you it tight and right or sloppy and knee jerking all and any repairs with babble of crap on invoices...and would bury their mother to keep an image up...
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxster View Post
    .experience scares people,with others are in wonder how much you know and how you handle cutomers and jobs..
    You mean, like 16-year guys, who sell the hell out of equipment, because they can't fix anything?

    You mean, like 10-year guys, who can't be taught anything about proper use of tools or proper technical understanding, because they've "been doing it this way for years, and been getting by just fine" ??

    You're right...some guys' "experience" scares me.
    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

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    your is good as what you work on .what the biggest piece of tonnage you stand in front of to repair that's under contract ..can't wait on this answer?you comment on my post is totally my point the guy is assassinated right in the door as another parts changer.you want to test me with break down question on an interview...knock yourself out...as long as i can ask you question?what's the difference between a contactor and a starter ....for an example... you have 5 seconds to answer it........... get back on that single tonnage item if you can
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Markl View Post
    You mean, like 16-year guys, who sell the hell out of equipment, because they can't fix anything?

    You mean, like 10-year guys, who can't be taught anything about proper use of tools or proper technical understanding, because they've "been doing it this way for years, and been getting by just fine" ??

    You're right...some guys' "experience" scares me.
    John you are quick to point out techs that are screw ups. I am not gonna deny that alot of folks screw up and are hard headed.

    Some employers are as bad or worse than your perception of some techs.


    Can you see the IRONY in your train of thoughts with "malcontents" that jump jobs? Do you keep those bone headed techs on your payroll for YEARS before giving them the boot? Yet you call a good tech nasty names when they run into employment with crappy bosses?!?!

    Yeah, they are 'trash' because they didn't work for bubba bob for 20 years.....

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