You hear employers say, you must prove yourself. I agee with the statement on it's face.
However, HOW MUCH is required to satisfy you? Does a guy need to install 4, 10, or 1000 furnaces? Does a guy need to lay 100 miles of ductwork BEFORE you think he has proved himself?
I don't mean to sound of the jerk. I am just looking for some insight. Are your expectations decent, or are they pie in the sky?
I think one month is enough to prove yourself to an employer.
I have had employers hire me at $X.XX/hr with the promise that I would get $X.XX after proving myself. I made it clear that I would expect that pay raise after one month.
Make all things known upfront and write it down. Most companies use 90 days as a probation period. If 90 days isn't long enough then start looking around for a another company or go remind the Boss. Most Boss's don't mind being reminded as long as you are cool about it. Jump in his face or it comes through a 3rd party is where most get into trouble.
I forget things too. The nicest way I was reminded was a note in an envelope. "Hey Boss, is my 90 days up yet? Thanks"... It was actually almost 120 so I gave him back pay.
Speaking pretty much about the service end of our industry, it's not quite an excercise in objectivity to see if someone is measuring up to what they need to be doing. Sure, there are objective things like is paperwork in on time and completely filled out (so that you and the company can get paid), are you taking care of the vehicle that you've been entrusted with, on time all the time unless there's a really good reason (even this is subjective 'cause we may not agree on the really good reason), etc.
Originally Posted by freemind
The really subjective parts are that what you think and what I think are characteristics of a good mechanic with a good attitude and good customer skills may differ greatly, in part or in whole. For example, I know a man that has as good a work ethic as anyone and he works HARD. So hard, in fact, that he creates work for himself by forgetting things or doing things wrong from trying to get so much done. Nothing wrong with the work ethic role model, but I don't want someone like that being around my customers or training the apprentices. For another, does your "get it done and done right" and my "get it done and done right" match? There's a thousand ways to get to Chicago, and I'm paying the way. Can we see eye to eye and both learn from each other, or do you get bent out of shape because I want something done differently than you'd do it, even if my way is just as good? We aren't all the same, and no employer worth his salt is going to can someone just because there are differences of opinion or he has some little quirks, as long as they're little and stay that way. But the boss not only has to look at the objective things, but the catch-all "Does he fit in well with everyone else" part. In other words, is the good chemistry that we had up until the day before he arrived still there a month later? A good company will make room for differing personalities and talents and try to play to the strengths that everyone has, unless those differences disrupt or cause things to get off course. And there's a lot of other things that go into the nutroll, but you see the direction.
Unfortunately, in our industry we don't manufacture blue widgets and get judged solely on whether or not we make our quota of perfectly round widgets in an eight hour day, and then send them to the company owner for distribution, all without any interaction with the other folks at the company. It would be nice, but that's only in a dream. It would be great to have a list of objectives and standards to go by but that's just not possible in the real world. Some companies do, but I've always considered them to be more fluff than substance because they try to put individuals into a mold. They have a place, but the final decisions require far more than a checkmark on a page. And that's one of the reasons it's so difficult to be "The Boss".
It's not about time or volume of work.
If you're making $10 an hour and you want to make $20, work like you're making $20.
If being worth more than they pay you isn't working, you may not be at the right company.
naysayer, skeptic, conspiracy theorist
I like that!
Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Freemind: This is how not to approach the situation. Here's why: Let's say that you and I had the job interview(s) and we came to an agreement that you would go to work and I would pay you to do so. If things worked out to everyones satisfaction, I would increase your pay after one month from $3.00/hour to $3.10/hour and you agreed that the starting wage and increase was fair and good, but then you "made it clear" that you expected me to live up to what I said I would do. In other words, for no reason at all, you basically told me that you wouldn't tolerate it if I was a liar. At that point, the thing that would have been not only clear to this gentleman, but painfully obvious, was the location of the door.
Originally Posted by zw17
This quote and it's content is the EXACT reason that John Markl started the thread that he started originally about "What do you bring to the table?". If one wants to be shown respect, then one has to have respect. This quote shows no respect at all towards the prospective employer. It does, however, convey the typical "It's all about me" attitude that many folks carry with them into job interviews. At least that's what they say on here and that's what they think, obviously. I've conducted lots of interviews and never had anyone say anything of that sort to my face, but it's gotten back through the grapevine that they told everyone else they said something of the sort, probably to try and make themselves look like they're in control. Someone that would actually say something like this in an interview isn't worthy to work for a company with my family's name on it. How should I think he'd treat my customers if he don't think any more than that of me? Remember, this is a two way street.
my last job you were expected to come in, kiss everyone's ass, maybe a reach-around to two, ask tons of questions and act dumb to stroke there egos. and be happy cleaning up the shop everyday and running parts to people for the first 4 or 5 months.. mind you this for a tech thats been at it for 6 years. guess thats the way it is at a BIG company
except for cleaning the shop, sounds like all jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by marter
Thank God I thought I was the only one!
Originally Posted by marter
Act like you are weak when you are really strong scheme is getting really old.
Member of the "Work Exchange Program"
"Will work for knowledge"
"Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid"
it is like the show survivor!
if you are out numbered by the dumb guys?
lets say there are 12 techs
1 smart one,
2 better than average
7 below average
2 absolute idiots
you have to get a majority of the dummies to like you
so there are basically 9 dummies
you have to befriend 5 of them!
if you do not then they will be scared and run you off!
then you can start to shine a little but whatever you do not appear smarter than the 3 top guys!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by kamersoutdoor
This sounds like the normal perspective of a six year "veteran". Look back on things when you're a 25 or 30 year veteran and see how what you said sounds then. A decent apprenticeship lasts 5 years. For some, they need more than that. Others pick it up somewhat faster. As far as the puckerin' up part - unless you have history in your area as one of the handful of mechanics that truly are the very best that money can buy, even if you're a 20 year guy, a little humility goes a long way. If you ever get to work with someone that truly is one of the very best at what they do, I can assure you that he will be comfortable enough in his own skin that he doesn't have any problem at all showing some humility.
Originally Posted by marter
At times - I will admit - we find ourselves in a situation with a bunch of prima donnas that don't want anyone to get along with them. Those times are the exception and not the rule.
You do realize that half the people in the world are below average, don't you?
Originally Posted by supertek65
And have you ever stopped to consider that out of approximately 7 billion people on the earth, there's only one that can truly claim the title of "average"? Things that make you go HHMMM??......