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    I understand what its designed for...but it doesn't serve that purpose well. If he's used it following the onboard diagnostics your going to have some issues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlaw481 View Post
    I understand what its designed for...but it doesn't serve that purpose well. If he's used it following the onboard diagnostics your going to have some issues...

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    I can't disagree with that. If it was being designed from scratch today, it would serve that purpose without those issues.
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    Not if the same people were involved in the design...

    It does OK for what it is, but it doesn't have the ability to reason... you'll never replace a well trained and experienced service tech. Dale would love to, but it just isn't going to happen...

    I'd check all those units your new tech did, I think you'll find they're all 8-10% over charged and the airflow is out of whack. Also, let him know that when adjusting airflow per the SA at the sheave from full open to full close will only give a 2 degree change. The actual change at the unit is a little more.

    I've documented it on a lot of brand new units...as well as brand new Frame units needing charged an additional 3-5 lbs because fdsi knows more than the manufacturer does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlaw481 View Post
    Not if the same people were involved in the design...

    It does OK for what it is, but it doesn't have the ability to reason... you'll never replace a well trained and experienced service tech. Dale would love to, but it just isn't going to happen...

    I'd check all those units your new tech did, I think you'll find they're all 8-10% over charged and the airflow is out of whack. Also, let him know that when adjusting airflow per the SA at the sheave from full open to full close will only give a 2 degree change. The actual change at the unit is a little more.

    I've documented it on a lot of brand new units...as well as brand new Frame units needing charged an additional 3-5 lbs because fdsi knows more than the manufacturer does...

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    I'm sure he is being counseled about any charge adjustments, lol. Fortunately, that program is PP&L and not Peco.

    I should have asked Dale if he is considering a new approach to the SA. He has an office near several stores we service.
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    I can answer that.. no

    The response I've gotten about charge has always been that we're making it more efficient and these changes won't harm anything.

    I agree a pound or so won't necessarily hurt it, but what happened to charging by nameplate???

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlaw481 View Post
    I can answer that.. no

    The response I've gotten about charge has always been that we're making it more efficient and these changes won't harm anything.

    I agree a pound or so won't necessarily hurt it, but what happened to charging by nameplate???

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    You're right. That does seem counter-intuitive, particularly on newer equipment where the manufacturer was already facing a mandate to make the product more efficient.

    Seems like a question of giving the utility what they want to see.
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    huh...............well then..................
    You have to pay your due's before you pay the rent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by n-e-w Jerz! View Post
    huh...............well then..................
    Possibly.

    But, you would be using this device.

    That could make it relevant for you.
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    looks like you jumped the gun on that one Outlaw!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think an apology to Timebuilder would be in order!

    He is extremely intelligent and professional, he would never call your guys idiots or anybody an idiot for that matter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlaw481 View Post
    It is used for utility rebates but is NOT a diagnostics tool for use by "new guys who need something to tell them what's wrong"

    If you'd ever handled one you would know first hand its the last thing you want to hand an uneducated service tech.


    I'll be the first to admit we have our problems like every company, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't insinuate our guys were idiots. There is a reason we don't hire anyone without at least five years of commercial experience.

    NJ...if you'd like additional information feel free to email or pm me. I'll give you my cell there if you'd like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertek65 View Post
    looks like you jumped the gun on that one Outlaw!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think an apology to Timebuilder would be in order!


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    Sorry you feel that way.

    Have a great weekend!

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    somehow did not think you would be the type of man to apologize.

    have a nice weekend.





    Quote Originally Posted by outlaw481 View Post
    Sorry you feel that way.

    Have a great weekend!

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    alpine mechanical

    Is this alpine mechanical from pennsylvania. When the company I worked for got bought out by lennox nas .I heard they were looking at aquiring this company. That was a couple of years ago .If you have a big meeting at a hotel ,the rumor was corrrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emtim View Post
    Is this alpine mechanical from pennsylvania. When the company I worked for got bought out by lennox nas .I heard they were looking at aquiring this company. That was a couple of years ago .If you have a big meeting at a hotel ,the rumor was corrrect.
    I would hope, for the quality of life for the Alpine guys, that NAS does NOT acquire your company.
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