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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-in-cayman View Post
    I believe he will. Nobody is touching him right now. We need someone who will take it to obama. That's why I like Newt or even Trump. Too bad neither will be the nominee

    Newt would completely disassemble obama.

    I think Santorum has some fight in him too.

    Who ever it is, needs to stay on offense.
    Rather then waste energy on stomping on Obama, Santorum is more the type who would simply put forth what is the best thing for the U.S. to do under the current circumstances. I think that would be a lot better then some testosterone battle of the twits. Obama has proven that he can schmooze himself out of attacks against him.

    I do agree though, if Obama wins another term, he will take this country headlong into a Socialist Republic with himself as as the Fascist saviour of the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Exactly! The leftists have been successful in dividing Republicans into Tea Partiests and RINO's and too many otherwise rational Americans are letting those Socialist morons get into their heads that one Republican candidate is unelectable or another candidate had social indiscretions. Those who attack any Republican candidate are really showing that the candidate they attack is the most likely to beat their beloved O'Bummer.
    I appreciate you taking the time to showcase your true motives in my thread, Robo.

    The people of Pennsylvania remember that Santorum is unelectable. The only reason they kept him on for so long was the fact that his billions of government pork-barrel waste benefited them. But then when he started getting in trouble for suggesting that the government should grow to include regulating the bedroom and of course then when he got in trouble for the ethics violations and was shamed into admitting that he didn't even have a residency in Pennsylvania he was booted out by an outrageously overwhelming majority.

    So the fact that you are from PA, the fact that you were a pro commune person (I won't say communist, though) who only recently joined our grand old party and the fact that you are trying to bolster support for the only Republican candidate who can't beat Barry Obama makes me suspect your motives.

    You throw around terms like RINO but what you are really doing is fomenting division in your newly adopted party. Only you know the true reasons behind this though.

    What is clear is we need to gel behind one candidate very, very quickly. The longer we spend attacking each other the stronger BHO gets. It would seem that that's the plan for some on these boards but we need to start ignoring those people and push ahead with a unified front. That's the way we will unravel Obamacare and all of the other terrible things the Democrats have done in the past 3 1/2 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    CIC, you know that I am pretty much on the same page as you on theology and politics, so please understand that I am responding strictly from a legalistic point of view and not from my own personal convictions...The U.S. is not a Christian nation. The U.S. is a nation whose design was heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian values, but we are not a nation of any theology. The founding fathers of the U.S. were extremely aware of the adverse affects that religion can have on a nations politics. That is why the very first amendment to the Constitution declares;

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    The U.S. cannot lawfully establish or prohibit any religion. Keep in mind that religious persecution was a major factor in who wound up being the first American colonists. Polls are not a reason to make federal laws. The Federal government has no right by it's creation to even be involved with abortion issues. It is very clear that there are majorities of some states where Americans are strictly against abortions and majorities of other states where Americans are strictly for abortions. This needs to be strictly a state issue. If more citizens of one state want to ban abortions, they should have that right. If more citizens of another state want to support abortions, they too should have that right. In this way, the citizens of most states would need to be more tolerant on their stand on abortions in order to appeal to enough of the citizens living in each state. We are a capitalistic country, let the states compete.
    This point is actually a no brainer. If our political system and legal system just did their jobs as the laws are already written, this would be a non-issue. There is no need for amnesty for persons who have criminally broke the laws of the U.S. For lower spending or not, polls aside, we simply cannot continue to be responsible for the immense debt that Socialist programs and support of Socialist labor organizations has caused us. The amount of spending that government does should never have been implemented in the first place. We need only turn back the hands of time to before Socialism got such a grip on U.S. politics to reverse the wrongs that have occured due to government spending of money confiscated from American citizens. Again, should never have become an issue other then in times of war. Again, not up to any government to decide. If we take government involvement over our marriage status and leave marriage to theological organizations, then it will be up to the various religions to decide who marriage is supposed to apply to. As far as I'm concerned, this includes religions that allow for multiple spouses.

    For government to keep things legal, there is always civil unions. One can only hope and pray for a change from O'Bummer to anything else. For once in my life, I can honestly say that any other alternative currently available is better then what we have.
    What will turn around? Once again, I pray you are correct. Then again, I never thought Obama would have become president. There are a lot of people in the U.S. who are now dependent on the Socialization of the U.S. government. The Socialist Democrat machine is stronger and more corrupt today then it was during the Tammany Hall era. Maybe some who were duped won't show, but more Americans are now dependent on the Obama regime and they are not going to let the little bit they are getting from government go easily. Obama supporters will be at the polls, dead or alive, they will vote for Obama. Just like they did to Herman Cain and just like they are now trying to do to Santorum. Better yet, the GOP better stop "playing" and get serious. This election is not going to be a cake walk by any means.
    Just substitute "the u.s." with "Americans".

    That's really what I meant.

    In any case we are in agreement.

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    The problem with the Republican Party in this election is that there really is no one left who I would have chosen to vote for. While I have been a member of the Republican Party since 1972, after a very short time as an Independent, I am still fairly liberal when it comes to social issues. Santorum and I would certainly not see eye to eye on many social issues.

    Since I am only recently a resident of PA, I have never voted in an election for Santorum. I am not sure if I would have voted for him or not because I really don't know the atmosphere in PA at the time Santorum was in office.

    What I do know is that Santorum is not afraid to show who he is and how he thinks and in what he believes. For me, that shows integrity. That shows that Santorum will be a man of his word and will do what he believes is right for the U.S. The fact that as president, Santorum would not have much influence and no power over social issues such as how we behave in our homes, makes all of the noise about Santorum's personal beliefs moot.

    Also, it looks like a lot of what Santorum is accused of is taken very much out of proportion by the liberal media, of which we can hear Santorum being no nonsense with in the video on this site; http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...blican_primary

    After watching Santorum rip the media a new one, check this out;
    Santorum is smoking Mitt Romney in a Rasmussen poll of Ohio Republican voters released on Thursday.
    Santorum gets 42 percent in the [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]swing [COLOR=green !important]state[/COLOR][/COLOR], a crucial one in the general election, while Romney sits 18 points behind at[/COLOR] 24 percent. Newt Gingrich is in third at 13 percent and Ron Paul is at 10 percent.
    If the field were to narrow to just Romney and Santorum, Santorum would flatten Romney 58 percent to 30 percent.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/16/sa...#ixzz1mewTAAGG

    Like I stated before, only leftists who are afraid that Obama may be beaten by a Republican candidate are attacking that Republican candidate. If a socially liberal American like myself can vote for Santorum, he is indeed electable.
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    Polls showing how our candidates stack up against one another are a moot point. I'd accuse you of using a strawman argument but I suspect the term would go over your head.

    The point is very simple- The issue is who would beat Obama in a general election.

    Santorum fares the worst (as in dead last) in the polls that pit each of our candidates against Obama. That's why I'm convinced that you are a sneaky Obama supporter- You are backing the only guy with no shot at beating Obama and when pressed on it you point to graphs that pit our candidates against each all the while pretending that your point is somehow relevant.

    Please try to pay attention. This is why it is assumed that you are still an Obama backer even if you claim you aren't. Your actions suggest otherwise, friend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by k-fridge View Post
    I know what people on several other sites are saying. And these are not leftists; I'm talking about conservatives who aren't particularly religious.

    Whether justified or not, Santorum scares the crap out of non-Christian people. Many of his statements make people think he is a religious fanatic who would govern that way, and it doesn't go over well with a lot of folks.

    A lot of people have become very put out with politicians who thump their Bible all the time while on the campaign trail. They need to do like Reagan did; he was a pro-life Christian too but he didn't constantly beat the drum. I'm not saying anyone has to run from or compromise their faith either, but they need to run for public office, not for pastor.

    BAC is right on this one, Santorum would lose badly to Obama.
    I guess this illustrates the sad state that our country is in. When someone that states the morally correct postions is called a fanatic. I mean what Santorum has expressed as his "personal" opinions is exactly what most parents and people thought was mainstream in the 50's, right? He has specifically pointed out how he has voted on these social issues and his conviction that contraception should be available, not mandated. And that any restriction on any of these social issues should be at the State level not at the Federal level. Isn't that a states' rights position the equates to a smaller federal government influence in our personal lives.

    It seems to me that Santorum has the left spinning everything to scare the mainstream from this candidate. They seem to be scared to the point of blatant lying about his record on governance. He tells the truth when asked a question, even when he knows he's going to catch grief for his "personal" beliefs.

    It seems now, even his competition and thier supporters are buying into the lies and distortion and putting that into practice. Maybe that is a win at all cost mentality or just simple closed-minded behavior. I haven't been a Santorum supporter but I am starting to lean that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebCTRL View Post
    I guess this illustrates the sad state that our country is in. When someone that states the morally correct postions is called a fanatic. I mean what Santorum has expressed as his "personal" opinions is exactly what most parents and people thought was mainstream in the 50's, right? He has specifically pointed out how he has voted on these social issues and his conviction that contraception should be available, not mandated. And that any restriction on any of these social issues should be at the State level not at the Federal level. Isn't that a states' rights position the equates to a smaller federal government influence in our personal lives.

    It seems to me that Santorum has the left spinning everything to scare the mainstream from this candidate. They seem to be scared to the point of blatant lying about his record on governance. He tells the truth when asked a question, even when he knows he's going to catch grief for his "personal" beliefs.

    It seems now, even his competition and thier supporters are buying into the lies and distortion and putting that into practice. Maybe that is a win at all cost mentality or just simple closed-minded behavior. I haven't been a Santorum supporter but I am starting to lean that way.
    Exactly! Santorum's political record proves that he does not allow his personal beliefs to prevent him from voting and otherwise working toward what is best for all Americans, proving that Santorum is not tyranical, but willing to compromise and be tolerant of the beliefs of others. There is nothing in Santorum's record, either political or personal, to give any indicatioin that he would ever behave like a tyrant.

    The leftists are afraid of Santorum. If for no other reason, that is a good reason to support him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    Polls showing how our candidates stack up against one another are a moot point. I'd accuse you of using a strawman argument but I suspect the term would go over your head.

    The point is very simple- The issue is who would beat Obama in a general election.

    Santorum fares the worst (as in dead last) in the polls that pit each of our candidates against Obama. That's why I'm convinced that you are a sneaky Obama supporter- You are backing the only guy with no shot at beating Obama and when pressed on it you point to graphs that pit our candidates against each all the while pretending that your point is somehow relevant.

    Please try to pay attention. This is why it is assumed that you are still an Obama backer even if you claim you aren't. Your actions suggest otherwise, friend.

    I'd have to disagree, it seems that against Obama, Romney and Santorum fare about the same according to the Rasmussen poll linked in a recent previous post (#77). You are saying that the polls don't matter but telling us your opinion about Santorum because you are (as I read into it) a Paul supporter. Paul, who polls at about 9-10% nationally while Santorum is now in the 30+% range, it might be time for RP to bail on the primary and throw his support behind Santorum to galvanize a Republican win in November. At this point, it is either Santorum or Romney against Obama, and I think for true Conservatives, there is only 1 choice.

    All the heat on the Catholic church and on Santorum seem to be helping both. Hope so, 'cause there will sure be alot more heat to come for Rick if he keeps trending upward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebCTRL View Post
    I guess this illustrates the sad state that our country is in. When someone that states the morally correct postions is called a fanatic. I mean what Santorum has expressed as his "personal" opinions is exactly what most parents and people thought was mainstream in the 50's, right? He has specifically pointed out how he has voted on these social issues and his conviction that contraception should be available, not mandated. And that any restriction on any of these social issues should be at the State level not at the Federal level. Isn't that a states' rights position the equates to a smaller federal government influence in our personal lives.

    It seems to me that Santorum has the left spinning everything to scare the mainstream from this candidate. They seem to be scared to the point of blatant lying about his record on governance. He tells the truth when asked a question, even when he knows he's going to catch grief for his "personal" beliefs.

    It seems now, even his competition and thier supporters are buying into the lies and distortion and putting that into practice. Maybe that is a win at all cost mentality or just simple closed-minded behavior. I haven't been a Santorum supporter but I am starting to lean that way.
    I don't disagree; the political left has created a hypersensitivity in this country against almost any mention of faith in politics.

    OTOH, Santorum has made some really dumb remarks over the years that has made it a lot worse on him.

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    At least the dope got knocked out of the race.

    I usually dont fear what an incoming president might do to the nation....but in the case of herman caint..... I was truly worried that america may have seen her last days with him huddled in the fetal position under a desk in the white house basement......repeating over and over again......"It was only a joke, I was kidding, they have taken what I said out of context"

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    At least the dope got knocked out of the race.

    I usually dont fear what an incoming president might do to the nation....but in the case of herman caint..... I was truly worried that america may have seen her last days with him huddled in the fetal position under a desk in the white house basement......repeating over and over again......"It was only a joke, I was kidding, they have taken what I said out of context"
    Let it go, cornholio....let it go.....

    The bad Black man is not in the race anymore, so you don't have to be afraid of him anymore. Herman Cain will now only be pulling the strings of political leaders from behind the curtains. Oh! He is also in your closet....watching you with that big smile on his face....BOO!
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