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    Quote Originally Posted by 2old2rock View Post
    From what I've seen, he's the most conservative of the bunch.
    Certainly not a RINO.
    And they say he has the economic chops from his senate experience.
    Isn't this what republicans say they want - a true conservative?
    Santorum is the only Republican candidate left that makes any sense to me. Gingrich is carrying a lot of baggage for Democrats to attack and Romney may be just as bad as O'Bummer.

    Santorum at least seems to have values and convictions. I'd love to see a Santorum/Cain ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    So in God's eyes the baby of a rape victem is less than one conceived after a good bottle of wine? Why should one die and the other live?

    A loving married should be able to get off with just the missionary position. Any more just makes sex dirty and just keeps people from doing more productive things with their life.

    What the US is lacking is moral fiber. This is the guy to clean your system out.
    More likely then not, a President Santorum would not press for his personal convictions to be put into any form of law. The man has a right to his personal convictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classical View Post
    Here is the deal Santorum has many good traits and several bad ideas. I agree that what a person does in their home may be offensive to me but as long as they do not throw it in my face, parade it in front of my family or promote their agenda on NETWORK TV I do not really care all that much.

    The bigger issue is the things ya'll dislike about Santorum he would have no ability to affect from the seat of the president. Of even more importance these social issues, abortion, Gay marriage etc... should not be a part of the presidential or any federal campaign, these are state issues and should be dealt with strictly on a state level; it should also not be part of the judiciary.
    Amen to this, Al.

    Anyone who opposes Santorum opposes common sense from a rational and moral source. We don't have to agree with Santorum on his personal convictions, but the fact that the man has personal convictions that are morally sound and responsible is enough for me to want him over a liberal Independent running as a Republican or a man with so much history of immoratlity that we have no idea what he will support next.

    I may not like the Republican choices, but as a politically right of center moderate who is also socially left of center, Santorum is the only rational choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib's Son View Post
    In my mind too many people are slipping into the mindset that the POTUS can have so much power to (to loosely quote) outlaw what people do in their bedrooms. The POTUS does not have the Constitutional authority (nor does Congress) to reach that far into our lives.

    That sort of thinking is why we have a President that is trampling over such things as mandating that insurance companies pay for contraceptives and abortions, assigning appointees while congress is in session, taking over companies and turning over to unions etc. etc.

    WE THE PEOPLE need to be contacting our representatives demanding this madness stop. If they ignore you, we need to be active in doing everything we can, and that means sacrifice, in getting the clown ousted from the circus.

    I am fortunate to have a freshman Congressman that is doing an outstanding job....Raul Labrador. This guy is a straight shooter and has done what he campaigned on. Check out his record and the bill's he supports or has sponsored. He took on Raum Emanuel head on for his lies and deceptive statements in Fast and Furious investigation. He's got some nads for a freshman. We need more like him and Alan West.....lots more!
    And this is exactly the point that some are so idiotic in their thinking that they just don't get; the president cannot make morality decisions. With a more conservative president, maybe we can get morality and all social issues out of the hands of the Federal government altogether. O'Bummer is certainly giving us an example of a president who just stomps all over the structure of what our government is supposed to be, so someone like Santorum is our best bet to get us back on track with the Constitution.

    Let's face it, only a leftist thinking person could even think that Santorum would have any way of imposing his moralities on the American people as any sort of federal law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k-fridge View Post
    I agree that Santorum is not electable. Obama would crush him in the general election.

    I am an evangelical Christian (of the Protestant variety), and I take issue with some of his positions.



    In case you aren't familiar with the term "undefiled";




    As for him being the most conservative, I disagree again. While he has some conservative credentials and talks a good game, his positions we're discussing in this thread are not conservative ones. They are big government intrusion, the kind of thing we would expect from the political left. A true conservative does not want the federal government in our bedrooms,. A true conservative does not want the feds involved in marriage. And a true conservative would not want the feds making decisions concerning birth control unless possibly there's a health or safety issue associated with it.
    Do you think that Gingrich is more electable with all of his history that will be pounced on during the election? Do you think Romney is really much different then O'Bummer?

    I agree that in order to get Obama out of office, we are most likely going to have to make huge compromises, but why not support the candidate who would make the most difference?

    Your spiritual differences with Santorum don't mean any more then mine do as far as the man being president. His specific religious thoughts don't really matter. It is only the liberal media and leftists on this site who try to make an issue out of Santorum's personal religious convictions. It's not like Santorum, or anyone else, can do anything to create social laws to force others to think like he does.

    In essence, all of this nonsense about Santorum's personal convictions is a completely moot point being publicized and made a big deal of by leftists who don't want Santorum to have a shot at being president. Leftists are afraid of Santorum, that is why they are attacking him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-in-cayman View Post
    I like Santorum, but only because Newt will not get the nomination.

    What is Santorum attempting to micro manage in the bedroom of consenting adults and whats his legislative record on the matter?

    Something tells me there's not much to support the hysteria.

    Santorum can beat Obama. Most people agree with Santorum on most issues and Obamas record is crap.
    Exactly!

    Only those who don't want to get rid of the federal government Socialism we have today are speaking out against Santorum.

    The micromanaging of social issues is a bunch of leftist smoke and mirrors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-in-cayman View Post
    I read the article. Santorum supports legal access to birth control. He is allowed to have a personal opinion about birth control. He's catholic and catholics don't believe in artificial birth control. He has no legislative record that says otherwise.

    What is Santorum proposing to change legally about contraceptives or bedroom activities between consenting adults.?
    I read the article and watched the video. As far as I am concerned, the interview was a lot more interesting then listening to other candidates spew out what ever they think will get the most votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    Technically that may be right. But in reality, many American voters will not be willing to accept that. They will feel that his strong religious beliefs will find their way into policy. It would be sorta like a pol saying "I think blacks are inferior to whites, but I promise, if elected,I will treat them equally." Strong personal beliefs , on topics like abortion, gays, contraception etc. will be strongly considered by most. Some will like his views but some, I think more than enough will deem him unelectable for them. There is no way around it IMO.
    You are correct; extreme leftists will not be voting for Santorum...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Amen to this, Al.

    Anyone who opposes Santorum opposes common sense from a rational and moral source. We don't have to agree with Santorum on his personal convictions, but the fact that the man has personal convictions that are morally sound and responsible is enough for me to want him over a liberal Independent running as a Republican or a man with so much history of immoratlity that we have no idea what he will support next.

    I may not like the Republican choices, but as a politically right of center moderate who is also socially left of center, Santorum is the only rational choice.
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    Yeah I do not think he will try and force his moral ideals on the country and I do not think we will have to worry about him seducing a 19 year old intern male or female.

    Having a moral compass is a good thing better than saying a BJ is not sex.

    As to earmarks yes it is disappointing he has a history of earmarks but so will anyone that has been in congress for any lehgth of time or they would not have been reelected. I see earmarks more as a symptom of the system than a disease of the person.

    Until the system is changed and the president gets a line item veto and earmarks are outlawed or some other form of restraint all elected officals are going to pursue earmarks to remainin office.

    Right now Robin you are correct Santorum is the only viable option, I wish we had another option but we do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I agree that in order to get Obama out of office, we are most likely going to have to make huge compromises, but why not support the candidate who would make the most difference?
    That would be Ron Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cool-in-cayman View Post
    Santorum also said this in the same interview:



    Some people might disagree with some of Santorums opinions but many more will probably agree with most of his opinions.

    Besides, what congress is realistically going to ban contraception or gay love?

    It's a little silly if you ask me.



    I think the country is far more worried about going bankrupt which is something that Obama fully endorses it would seem from the way he likes to spend money.
    Better take a more close look at the site you linked to;
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    It looks like an extreme leftist site in disguise! Check out the bumper stickers that site has for sale; http://irregulartimes.com/exprogressive.html

    That's right...or actually, very left....the irregular times is a Communist Progressive site that does not want Santorum to be running against O'Bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    You are correct; extreme leftists will not be voting for Santorum...
    Lefties will back Obama, that's hardly news.

    And people who want more government intrusion in their lives will vote for Santorum, that's also hardly news.

    But Santorum will not get a single vote from the independents. And as much as you'd like to pretend otherwise, neither party can win without some support from the independents.

    Thus Santorum is completely and officially unelectable. It's not rocket science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Better take a more close look at the site you linked to;
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    It looks like an extreme leftist site in disguise! Check out the bumper stickers that site has for sale; http://irregulartimes.com/exprogressive.html

    That's right...or actually, very left....the irregular times is a Communist Progressive site that does not want Santorum to be running against O'Bummer.
    The site came from bacnet, Cool just checked it out and yes it is very far left par with Dailycos.

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