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    Sorry, just a newbie problem... Everything is...

    Sorry, just a newbie problem...

    Everything is OK now..

    Thanks
  2. Forgot to attach PDF on air flow measurement.

    Forgot to attach PDF on air flow measurement.
  3. For those following the story about...

    For those following the story about self-contained air-cooled ice machines blowing or sucking unfiltered air through the food zone, there is an NSF teleconference being held on October 4, 2012 at...
  4. I totally understand and agree. The fact is, no...

    I totally understand and agree. The fact is, no one has "seen" the problem before because you cannot "see" air flowing from the condenser unit into the food zone and you cannot "see" airborne...
  5. Condenser fan blows or sucks air through ice bin

    For those following the story about self-contained air-cooled ice machines blowing or sucking unfiltered air through the food zone, NSF announced a teleconference being held on October 4, 2012 at...
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    I sent a reply to cleanice thread about an hour...

    I sent a reply to cleanice thread about an hour ago...

    With Title
    "Post has Admin Approval "
    from Dad

    For those following the story about self-contained air-cooled ice machines blowing or...
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    Thanks Dad, I appreciate the help. I presume...

    Thanks Dad,

    I appreciate the help. I presume if VolunteerCEO replies with another "First Post" to cleanice's thread that is will make it through the Spam gauntlet this time? He will try this again...
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    Dad, Dave Richards "VolunteerCEO" and I...

    Dad,

    Dave Richards "VolunteerCEO" and I "cleanice" work in the same company. This is our website, which is listed in Dave's profile.

    www.safeicehealthcare.com

    Sometimes Dave and I use the...
  9. primmers, yes, Totally understood. Most...

    primmers, yes, Totally understood.

    Most people have not understood that ice machines get dirty because of invisible, airborne microorganisms, rather than the water.

    You can see for yourself...
  10. Yes this is true.... much quieter and condenser...

    Yes this is true.... much quieter and condenser fan does not melt ice in the bin and a bigger job to install for sure... but as you know, remote units in restaurants and bars still have a lot of gunk...
  11. Check out the attached photos of condenser fan...

    Check out the attached photos of condenser fan sucking and blowing air through the food zone.

    If you new to Ice machines, you'll soon see they pretty dirty messes. One of the reasons is this...
  12. Hoshizaki: P-trap on bin drain prevented dirty machine??

    I interviewed an ice machine rental and service company in Florida last week and demonstrated on several of the machines in their shop that the condenser fan was sucking air from the drain line,...
  13. Need help testing Scotsman, Hoshzaki and Manitowoc for leaks

    Can anyone help me test for condenser fan leaks into the ice bin? I can send you the equipment to test, see photos below and attached. I need this test done on 2 or 3 ice machines of each major...
  14. We came up with the same final analysis: Scotsman...

    We came up with the same final analysis: Scotsman Prodigy's basic design has got so many holes and cracks sucking outside air, that it might be easier to replace the whole machine. Hoshizaki has the...
  15. We have not tested exactly a Manitowoc Mani...

    We have not tested exactly a Manitowoc Mani series but yes, the airflow you mention is exactly one of the airflow problems we found in Manitowoc: air blows over the top, past the water curtain and...
  16. Thanks Tommy Knocker. I will let you guys know...

    Thanks Tommy Knocker. I will let you guys know what the manufacturers and NSF have to say in a few weeks. I'm going in to meeting loaded for bear and I am not going to take any more cheap shots from...
  17. Thanks Tommy knocker... yup, got my patent...

    Thanks Tommy knocker... yup, got my patent applications on file.

    Yes, I too think my tests are the norm. Lets see what NSF does about machines in the field after they are tested. (Next meeting is...
  18. If you go to top of this thread, I explained why...

    If you go to top of this thread, I explained why and attached photos: The big idea was to keep ice machines clean by pumping small amounts of HEPA filtered air into the food zone. This would keep ice...
  19. If you go to top of this thread, I explained why...

    If you go to top of this thread, I explained why and attached photos: The big idea was to keep ice machines clean by pumping small amounts of HEPA filtered air into the food zone. This would keep ice...
  20. By integrated I meant "self contained air...

    By integrated I meant "self contained air cooled". Sorry I don't have all the right terminology. We tested self contained air cooled Scotsman, Hoshizaki and Manitowoc and we found that Scotsman and...
  21. It seems the infiltration is from every hole...

    It seems the infiltration is from every hole including sucking up from the floor drain and every crack in the bin cabnetry.

    Manufacturer is in denial.. as in 4 mental stages of acceptance of bad...
  22. No we are not. The condenser air should NOT be...

    No we are not. The condenser air should NOT be blowing into the ice bin, but it is. This happens on an integrated ice machines, which seems to be a manufacturing defect and probably a violation of...
  23. City water or RO water going into the ice machine...

    City water or RO water going into the ice machine is clean. The gunk and slime in ice machines comes from airborne contaminants not the water. Maybe you noticed that an ice machine that is moved from...
  24. Yes, you can be excited. The HEPA system does...

    Yes, you can be excited. The HEPA system does work on the remote systems which are also very dirty due airborne contamination. It filters out 100% of the 5 and 10 micron size particles, which are the...
  25. Yes, you can be excited. The HEPA system does...

    Yes, you can be excited. The HEPA system does work on the remote systems which are also very dirty due airborne contamination. It filters out 100% of the 5 and 10 micron size particles, which are the...
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