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  1. I think your still hung up on employer provided...

    I think your still hung up on employer provided insurance as being a give away when it is more part of a wage package .
  2. Also i believe that health insurance is tax...

    Also i believe that health insurance is tax deductible to most all workers and business owners .
  3. Poor families pay next to nothing for there...

    Poor families pay next to nothing for there coverage .Did you even read the article. What i got simply from it is the following ( under estimate your income = larger subsidy = giving some of it back...
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    Good
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    So were you guilty of running the red light ?

    So were you guilty of running the red light ?
  6. Same is true for unpaid medical bills . The true...

    Same is true for unpaid medical bills . The true cost of the loss is far less than face value though imo .
  7. That is my understanding also on student loans...

    That is my understanding also on student loans and i hope it remains that way. They should do the same with health care debt .
  8. Found online were it said average wage in 1970...

    Found online were it said average wage in 1970 was 6100 and now is 44k so yea has not kept up . Never really thought about loans driving the cost of housing and education higher . I guess you could...
  9. Yea agree on the trade school thing if one is...

    Yea agree on the trade school thing if one is available for the trade your entering . I went to uti in phoenix in 85 and paid on my student loan for 10 years when i was done . There were alot of...
  10. I think all that pell grant money should be moved...

    I think all that pell grant money should be moved to student loans so if you go to school you have to pay it back . What your income level is before schooling should have no effect on ability to pay...
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    Well guess they could have stopped and talked to...

    Well guess they could have stopped and talked to him and asked him nicely not to walk down the street firing off his little friend. As glen would say give me a break .
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    Can't argue with that . Perp got what was coming.

    Can't argue with that . Perp got what was coming.
  13. Boggs ?

    Boggs ?
  14. Just wondering were you got your numbers now i...

    Just wondering were you got your numbers now i see . Your doing fine on your own on looking bad don't need my help .
  15. Im sure your joking but even if it was true i...

    Im sure your joking but even if it was true i dont think that would get us to 93 million unless hes counting illegal children as not looking for work .
  16. And people like him self .

    And people like him self .
  17. Were did you get the 93 million not looking for...

    Were did you get the 93 million not looking for work number . You must be including children ,retired folks and such .
  18. I think we are on the same page with what the...

    I think we are on the same page with what the numbers mean . They use the e3 numbers because they look better on paper but do not point out true unemployment numbers . To be fair and balanced if one...
  19. E3 unemployment numbers never included those who...

    E3 unemployment numbers never included those who stopped looking but its been that way for decades so if your going to compare with prior times it should be apples for apples . Check out the E6...
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    If you dont mind i would love to hear how you...

    If you dont mind i would love to hear how you pulled off all of that durring the regean years especially paying off a house . You must be in your 80's now .
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    I'm in northern ca which is under pacific gas and...

    I'm in northern ca which is under pacific gas and electric and yes the industry was deregulated but electrical rates climbed after . I do not know what ng did though because there is none in the...
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    If i was hired before 1991 and retired from my...

    If i was hired before 1991 and retired from my employer at retirement age of 62 and had 20 years in i would have insurance for life . I was hired in 98 so this does not apply to me . I work for a...
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    Were i work its that way also if you were hired...

    Were i work its that way also if you were hired before 1991.
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    Why cant we just remove the lobbyist from...

    Why cant we just remove the lobbyist from government and see were that gets us . And while were at it lets limit campaign contributions , establish term limits and require everybody to pay something...
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    Your a little insulting aren't you behind your...

    Your a little insulting aren't you behind your keyboard and ive been on and off the plantation for years so i have seen both sides .
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    I have had the same doctor since the 80's so have...

    I have had the same doctor since the 80's so have not seen what you describe . Was your doctor at retirement age already ? My dentist retired but thats not related to aca .
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    Never had a problem finding a doctor and how...

    Never had a problem finding a doctor and how exactly is the government controlling the whole thing . No regulations or fda huh, i dont no were to go from here.
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    What you stated is nothing more than your opinion...

    What you stated is nothing more than your opinion and for me to say otherwise would be the same . We will have to disagree on it being like the va .I will say though that you do bring up a good point...
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    Well i am making it for my self . I go to work 5...

    Well i am making it for my self . I go to work 5 days a week and provide a service at a far less rate that what a outside source can do , which results in a better use of tax payer money . There is...
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    When i stated with the school district i had a...

    When i stated with the school district i had a plan that only required me to meet a 100 dollar deductibe per person and 300 max per family with 100 percent coverage, that was between 1998 and 2000....
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    The people on it will pay for it by being taxed...

    The people on it will pay for it by being taxed at a higher rate . If my employer didnt pay there part of my insurance i would pocket an extra 1200 a month in gross pay that would easily pay for my...
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    My dad ,step mom and others i know are on...

    My dad ,step mom and others i know are on medicare and are happy with it , so if it works for them why not us . I realise that some on this site will argue that its socialism but i really dont care .
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    You and i are on the same page as to where the...

    You and i are on the same page as to where the problem lies and i am with you on the higher rates that individuals pay as being bs . You should be able to buy a policy for the same amount as my...
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    Brian i see why they give you a hard time on here...

    Brian i see why they give you a hard time on here , now the guy working for the corps getting the lower insurance rate is a slob now . And as i see it its not the price the corps pay is the problem...
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    Your reference to auto insurance got me thinking...

    Your reference to auto insurance got me thinking that the same applies about group rates for auto . Cheaper to buy individual plans for 1000 employees or a group rate which includes 1000 . Im...
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    I don't have a problem with big corps being able...

    I don't have a problem with big corps being able to buy plans at discounts for there workers . The reason for such discounts is because of the number of plans they are buying . The larger the group...
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    And those who choose not to have insurance at all...

    And those who choose not to have insurance at all should have that choice to pay cash as they go but if you cant pay no bankruptcy to save you . Your bill your problem .
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    What does this have to do with anything. The bond...

    What does this have to do with anything. The bond is whats required by the state to receive a license . And were he runs his business out of has little to do with this topic . Brian gc is right about...
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    I'm sure he will be along soon to let me have it....

    I'm sure he will be along soon to let me have it. If were going to rely on the free market to work like brian83 wants than all lobbyist and there money have to go . Remove the big 3 from the equation...
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    I'm sure he will be along soon to let me have it.

    I'm sure he will be along soon to let me have it.
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    I am with you on free market and health care and...

    I am with you on free market and health care and don't see it ever happening in the here and now . Maybe years ago when people did not go to the doctors like they do now . Take medicare and expand it...
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    Ok i thought i would clear up the free pass that...

    Ok i thought i would clear up the free pass that you said that unions got . When aca took effect it was true that my insurance was pretty much uneffected but only because it meet the minimum...
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    individual 200 deducible max copay 500 or...

    individual 200 deducible max copay 500 or family max deducible 500 max copay 1500 . If everybody in my family had major problems in a year regardless of amounts the most i would pay is 2000 in a...
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    You kind of lost me on the outlay part but if i...

    You kind of lost me on the outlay part but if i add up everything, my max medical out of my pocket per year is 5000 which includes the 250 a month i have to pay towards the premium .This is for a...
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    Sorry screwed that post up some how .

    Sorry screwed that post up some how .
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    [QUOTE=Brian GC;20011601]It's $950/mo for an...

    [QUOTE=Brian GC;20011601]It's $950/mo for an Anthem EPO with a $5,000 deductible per person, $10,000 per family, $12,500 total out of pocket per year. Nothing is covered except a couple worthless...
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    You are right about health care cost to employers...

    You are right about health care cost to employers affecting employee take home pay . For years we put cost of living adjustments towards our health plans un till the school district i work for froze...
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    Aca equals government give away to insurance...

    Aca equals government give away to insurance companies which is now no big surprise since we know who helped write all of it . Hey them lobbyist for the big three have to get some return on there...
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    Your pattern continues full of insults and no...

    Your pattern continues full of insults and no substance .
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    I still think the dems own this but you may be...

    I still think the dems own this but you may be right that the pubs new what was in it , like ga says follow the money .The big three spread there lobbyist dollars to both sides . The aca is only a...
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