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    http://www.wipipetrades.org/county/brown.htm ...

    http://www.wipipetrades.org/county/brown.htm

    There is your scale for Local 400 in Brown County. I believe as far as apprenticeship wages go it is 50-60-75-85 (Don't quote me on that though) One...
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    Not trying to be a smart ass, but how is that...

    Not trying to be a smart ass, but how is that possible?? Are you sure your math is adding up? The only way banking hours would be even remotely beneficial for an employee would be if I were to work...
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    I don't really need to feel better about getting...

    I don't really need to feel better about getting s-canned... I was only s-canned after I put in my notice because I had found a job that could get me 40 hours a week 52 weeks a year... Last year at...
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    Yes... They saved me a lot of money by not taking...

    Yes... They saved me a lot of money by not taking me to court like I heard they were threatening to do... That's a good thing.. Right?
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    You just told yourself what to do.... Run away...

    You just told yourself what to do.... Run away and put a gun to the piece of paper with an offer on it. Been there, done it, never do it again. Not a place for anyone with any sort of experience at...
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    No!!!!!! Don't be done with it... We were all...

    No!!!!!! Don't be done with it... We were all just joking, you are a very wise man, we know that. We are all just jealous of how well you can do your job and we want to be like you. Most of all we...
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    Is it just SE or is it NAS as well??

    Is it just SE or is it NAS as well??
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    Come on Youngnotsowiseman.... We NEED an...

    Come on Youngnotsowiseman.... We NEED an update... Is this furnace up and running and heating like an SOB or not?!?! This is an extremely important question. To my knowledge I think it is, I put ALOT...
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    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=787132...

    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=787132
    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=759782

    Those two threads should give you plenty of insight.. The second is a question about Benner, but...
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    Probably the best thing you could do.. Like the...

    Probably the best thing you could do.. Like the saying goes, "different folks, different strokes" I have never worked for CMS, but I did work for Benner and I LOVED it. I can tell you that if I were...
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    No, I won't accept anything, but the fact is...

    No, I won't accept anything, but the fact is there are some things you just don't have a choice with and unfortunately when it comes to the IRS there is really no negotiating... It just is what it...
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    Agreed, although it seemed really backwards and...

    Agreed, although it seemed really backwards and screwed up at first, when you actually sit down and think about it, 15 dollars really isn't anything. If you were to drive 20 miles to work each day...
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    Thank god!!!!! Now maybe I will get to spend a...

    Thank god!!!!! Now maybe I will get to spend a LITTLE more time in Wisco. It's a good company, its got its pros and cons just like every job, but the pros far outweigh the cons. A lot of freedom and...
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    I don't really think anything at all because NAS...

    I don't really think anything at all because NAS and Service Experts basically just use the Lennox name from what I was told by the guys at Lennox in Madison when I worked for NAS. They went on some...
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    Yet.. Don't worry, they will invade us soon...

    Yet.. Don't worry, they will invade us soon enough. NAS is here, so I would think Service Experts isn't going to be too far behind.
  16. Three letters... N-A-S... Need I say more??

    Three letters... N-A-S... Need I say more??
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    HAHA... This is PERFECT!!!!

    HAHA... This is PERFECT!!!!
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    Im not putting to much hope in the polls since...

    Im not putting to much hope in the polls since they also said the race was at 50/50. And good point on voting him in the first time :cheers:
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    Finally proud of the state I live in... We...

    Finally proud of the state I live in... We finally got something right.
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    Ask them where the door is so you can leave as...

    Ask them where the door is so you can leave as soon as possible :LOL: But in all seriousness, I would just read through the posts on here and you pretty much have your answer. And to elaborate on the...
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    I don't know why everyone has to be so hard on...

    I don't know why everyone has to be so hard on NAS!!!! Best company I have ever worked for. It would truly be a blessing for the fellas working at Alpine if they were acquired by NAS... Just ask the...
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    As far as GPS... Have it, don't mind it. No big...

    As far as GPS... Have it, don't mind it. No big deal. Its not a tool that I think is NORMALLY used to micro-manage. The company I work for has a substantial amount of techs, so its used as more of a...
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    8 miles a gallon!?!?!?!?! Holy :censored:!!!!...

    8 miles a gallon!?!?!?!?! Holy :censored:!!!! Sounds like you guys need to invest in some new company vehicles... They would pay for themselves in no time. I get normally around 14-15
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    I dont know if you can see my e-mail on my...

    I dont know if you can see my e-mail on my profile, if you can, shoot me an e-mail about where you are located etc... May have something that interests you. As a former Benner/NAS tech, I would be...
  25. I dont work for any of the companies you listed,...

    I dont work for any of the companies you listed, but I would consder my company to be a national company I guess... And yes, I actually love it. Why? Because I am basically my own boss, I get a whole...
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    I don't think anyone has questioned it was the...

    I don't think anyone has questioned it was the fault of the techs? As far as all of your B C F K G J K Card lettering system, I have no idea what in the world you are even talking about. Now Im not a...
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    YES!!!! THIS is how you get in on the cell tower...

    YES!!!! THIS is how you get in on the cell tower gig!!!!!!! If you can make heads or tails of what it says...
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    Or maybe the property maint. he thinks is...

    Or maybe the property maint. he thinks is experience? My suggestion to you though, would be keep your mouth shut and don't worry about money. After just graduating trade school, if you found someone...
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    I dont know... The government doesnt seem to have...

    I dont know... The government doesnt seem to have an issue with taking 30 percent of my pay check each week... So why would they care about taking 15 extra dollars from me?
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    I dont by any means think I am doing my company...

    I dont by any means think I am doing my company any favor by taking the van home. But I know people that spend over 75 dollars a week in other trades in gas alone, not to mention wear and tear on...
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    And if you look at HVACPope's link he posted it...

    And if you look at HVACPope's link he posted it clearly states this:

    Commuting Rule

    If the only personal use of an employer-provided vehicle is commuting to and from work, then the employer can...
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    Who says "personal use" has to be defined as...

    Who says "personal use" has to be defined as dropping the kids off at school, going to the gym, going to the store, running errands etc. Because MOST people do have to drive their personal vehicle to...
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    I hope he does vote republican!!! Then I will...

    I hope he does vote republican!!! Then I will like my job even more yet. But in all seriousness, they are very upfront with it during the interview process its one of the first things they tell you...
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    Think of it this way... The company doesnt NEED...

    Think of it this way... The company doesnt NEED to let you take the company vehicle to your house. They could make you park it at the office, then if you get called out, you drive your personal...
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    I was in the same position you were in just a few...

    I was in the same position you were in just a few short years ago (seems like a lifetime ago) so I will give you a little insight. The first thing is, I would not say HVAC is easier than plumbing....
  36. Not alot if you do "train" like my boss did......

    Not alot if you do "train" like my boss did... Here you're going to ride with Joe.... Two days later, "Heres the keys to your van, your stack of calls for the day, and our other service techs phone...
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    I think 10 years is a little bit on the low end....

    I think 10 years is a little bit on the low end. I know we always tell the customer 15-20 years, and anything after that is on borrowed time. If I replaced every furnace I saw over ten years old, I...
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    HHHMMM... Probably the worst thing that ever...

    HHHMMM... Probably the worst thing that ever happened to me was, I was 21 years old (only three long years ago), and started doing service when I was 18, fresh out of high school I lucked out and...
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    I did read it again slowly, and the way I read it...

    I did read it again slowly, and the way I read it is, if you have one stage of cooling running your delta T is going to be higher than if you have 2 stages of cooling running. And to me, if I have a...
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    I really don't understand your thinking here......

    I really don't understand your thinking here... Maybe I am missing/forgetting something? Please explain why you would get a higher delta T with only 1 stage vs 2 stages?
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    I will be honest, this part of your post really...

    I will be honest, this part of your post really rubs me the wrong way. I knew quite a few guys that worked at Benner and I think they were probably the most honest group of guys I have worked with....
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    I am also done with NAS. Found a better...

    I am also done with NAS. Found a better opportunity and hit the road. I know when I talked to one of the big guys in Florida when I quit, he told me that I was only the tenth guy to quit on my own...
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    It all depends I guess... The two main factors...

    It all depends I guess... The two main factors would be location and whether you are doing residential or commercial. I have found in WI that if you are doing residential service, you are EXTREMELY...
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    So essentially, you just became a service tech? I...

    So essentially, you just became a service tech? I would say you are right about where you should be. I realize you have install experience and had some time as a helper, but you just started on your...
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    How do you know this? I have yet to hear of...

    How do you know this? I have yet to hear of anything of this sort.
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    There is an HVAC job posting site as well. PM me...

    There is an HVAC job posting site as well. PM me if you want that one since I know we arent supposed to list other web-sites. But thats how I found mine and I know they are always looking for techs...
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    And here we go again with the generalization of...

    And here we go again with the generalization of all large companies. I know first hand because I work at Benner, I have worked there for about a year now. And I will go through your entire list of...
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    Just wondering what you found out about them?...

    Just wondering what you found out about them? :whistle:
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    I just got out of my apprenticeship school, and I...

    I just got out of my apprenticeship school, and I will say the best way to teach is hands on. You can read out of a book and beat me over the head with the material all day if you really wanted, and...
  50. Nope. Kind of dead in the commercial job market....

    Nope. Kind of dead in the commercial job market. Have had a bunch of resi service offers, but no different than what I have now and wouldn't be an improvement and not the career advancement I would...
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