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    Niagara / Tridium or LNS ? In both cases...

    Niagara / Tridium or LNS ?

    In both cases available on their WEB site.

    LNS, use the format files to directly decompress the snivet to properly view all components of the snivet

    Tridium, use...
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    You are right on all your points BACnet :) The...

    You are right on all your points BACnet :)

    The key thing is by having a lower delivered cost....you do provide the "possibility" of selling retrofit of terminal equipment controllers which are...
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    Hummmmmm....should I pick on this one !!! OK..I'm...

    Hummmmmm....should I pick on this one !!! OK..I'm biased in any case HEHE

    What you guys are voicing is exactly the type of concerns we get as manufacturer of wireless BAS devices.

    However,...
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    Should not be a problem blabath... I've been...

    Should not be a problem blabath...

    I've been working there for over 16 years now & I'm 44.....Plus the way things are shaping I think I'll retire there too :yes:

    The place is pretty big now &...
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    No......sorry no shirt ;) But thank you very...

    No......sorry no shirt ;)

    But thank you very much for the vote of confidence.

    But we do give out samples of our new stuff in the works and are looking for Beta testers....

    You know how to...
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    2 things come to mind... - Did you Set or...

    2 things come to mind...

    - Did you Set or Override the point ?

    A set will just set it to the desired index. From there a local user can change it to any desired value

    If you override the...
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    The funny thig is we DID offer to help you out on...

    The funny thig is we DID offer to help you out on more than one occasion....and you never got back to us........

    We would have been MORE than happy to help you fix any issues on your job site(s)....
  8. :playing: Yup...as mentioned......Customer...

    :playing:

    Yup...as mentioned......Customer service wins....always.

    The way I see it.

    A few years ago when I first started:
    JCI: N2
    Alerton: Proprietary
    ALC: Proprietary
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    Still.....CAT5 is a real pain in the........to...

    Still.....CAT5 is a real pain in the........to work with for regular screw terminal wiring.

    My 2 cents
  10. Thread: FEC brick?

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    Freddy...what about those west of Saskatoon ?...

    Freddy...what about those west of Saskatoon ? :bump:

    One east of Saskatoon HEHE
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    If it is related to token passes, then yes 38.4...

    If it is related to token passes, then yes 38.4 most probably will resolve it or make the events more sporadic.

    Yes, native MS-TP captures will give you the definitive answer.

    I was told there...
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    Hi Berg2666. Is this related to the same job...

    Hi Berg2666.

    Is this related to the same job you where inquring a while back ?

    18-2 should not be a problem. As long as all MS-TP wiring reccomendations are respected: shield, EOL's, proper...
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    ControlBiz....a gazillion tks for sharing...yes...

    ControlBiz....a gazillion tks for sharing...yes your insight is refreshing & more than appreciated. And for one...I do like your open NON vindicative approach to such a discussion.

    You are 100%...
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    Then all the better. Just a few years...

    Then all the better.

    Just a few years ago...most of that stuff was still pipe dreams
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    Zeta / Cisco has that alreay built in...and I...

    Zeta / Cisco has that alreay built in...and I must say it is slick.

    They have the MS VB scrpits already made & boom...live data feed on the fly directly to Excel

    Simple drag drop operation.
  16. Thread: Periscope

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    These guys are "solid" AX integrator /...

    These guys are "solid" AX integrator / devellopers & are very knowledgeble folks.

    The way I view this is that it gives the ability to assemble & organize AX environment variables externally to...
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    :)Grat post Dig1 & tks for the perspective ...

    :)Grat post Dig1 & tks for the perspective

    Now this is funny....it does show the point given that protocol used / sold & delivered does not equal quality of services given....




    This is...
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    You sir have it right from the get go..... ...

    You sir have it right from the get go.....


    Posted by ControlBIZ:


    You want to talk about a small Mfg stand-point ( of view ) ???? Imagine this...keeping all your products 100% designed,...
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    I have seen some early stuff almost a year ago...

    I have seen some early stuff almost a year ago now.....and yes. Their MS-TP implementation should more than robust. The team working on this is "excellent" and more than knowledgeble.

    But I still...
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    Then we are talking about TrACnet right...

    Then we are talking about TrACnet right .....sorry could not resist...First Tron, then TrACnet
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    Control BIZ is spot on about the evolution ahead...

    Control BIZ is spot on about the evolution ahead !!!!!! Say hi to IT integration !



    Big names are marching in a direction that "should" enable them to be even more controlling to their served...
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    It's no secret they have been working on a BACnet...

    It's no secret they have been working on a BACnet MS-TP line for a while now.

    I guess it should be mature for the market by now.

    This also means ( I guess ) they would have a few devices that...
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    There is something to be said about where BACnet...

    There is something to be said about where BACnet evolved to in the past recent years......Yes $ & time can do this :p

    And who ever said VHS was inferior to Beta :beat:
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    Well...you can revive THE topic of the forum:...

    Well...you can revive THE topic of the forum: BACnet vs. Lonworks
    The MOST viewed thead o this forum: 10,660+ views

    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=134016
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    I'm not bashing the "passion" here at all....and...

    I'm not bashing the "passion" here at all....and of course there is a heck of a lot of great info flying around.

    I am not a frequent poster, however often the intent & questions raised by an...
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    And we have :nopity::deadhorse:[ Funny how...

    And we have :nopity::deadhorse:[

    Funny how this community is "supposed" to be an information exchange one :grin2:

    Maybee they should rename the forum to: Pro-Lon Welcome only...otherwise better...
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    So will I. It's always good fun.

    So will I.

    It's always good fun.
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    ON-Off vs. P only vs. PI vs. PID hehe.....

    ON-Off vs. P only vs. PI vs. PID hehe.....
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    I actually prefer Delta, Alerton, ALC, Reliable,...

    I actually prefer Delta, Alerton, ALC, Reliable, TAC, etc...using BACnet vs. their old proprietary stuff from a few years ago.

    Agreed the owner can be / is locked down in many aspects to the...
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    The newly released ones do..like all thing, ya...

    The newly released ones do..like all thing, ya can always improve.

    You cannot screw a device with a plug-in...but you can screw up the application config no problem HEHE

    Point is plug-in's /...
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    Programming....not really needed. Pre-canned...

    Programming....not really needed. Pre-canned ASC's

    Plug-in available with the LON models......but very few use them...Why :confused:

    All configurations ( Read extra basic ASC`s in this case )...
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    Just a quick note. Just be sure your BACnet...

    Just a quick note. Just be sure your BACnet devices do support Brosdcast writes.

    I.E. the required who-is / i-am function is one thing. However, supporting write broadcast with one write message...
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    Agreed...this is a software function & only...

    Agreed...this is a software function & only requires memory & a versatile display base.

    Multi physical layers & their required tranceivers requires extra $. Very different.

    harley2003rkc, let...
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    Supervision & hi level programmable controller...

    Supervision & hi level programmable controller maybee.

    Low end devices like sensors and basic ASC's.....not sure.

    All extra's added have a direct hit on end pricing. There are very few...
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    At what price ? HEHE One day we'll get there with...

    At what price ? HEHE One day we'll get there with a lot more goodies.
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    Boy....I just love this Viconics BACnet interop...

    Boy....I just love this Viconics BACnet interop thread :p

    Just my quick 2 cents.

    Cimetrics tools are expensive yes...but you can rely on the timing provided vs. MS-Windows tools which use a...
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    klrogers wrote: Not the case, you can...

    klrogers wrote:



    Not the case, you can input a LOT of sytem related inputs to the devices based on application requirements...mind you they are basics....but if they fit the bill ? Local heat...
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    TC or TEC ?

    TC or TEC ?
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    It will do a bit more than co-exist if needed :)...

    It will do a bit more than co-exist if needed :)

    The Zoning system application uses BACnet MS-TP layer for data exchange from each zone to the RTU controller. As such, it can work as a stand-alone...
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    No pun intented guys......I work for these guys....

    No pun intented guys......I work for these guys.

    Can you point me where you see add references to VVT INTEROPERABLE ?

    Like other products it is not perfect.

    But if you know how the limits of...
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    Viconics has built it PIR sensor on the cover of...

    Viconics has built it PIR sensor on the cover of their thermostats available now.

    www.viconics.com
  42. Thread: Bacnet Bus

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    Try change the problematic unit MAC address to an...

    Try change the problematic unit MAC address to an unsed one.

    Does it have the same behaviour then ?

    If it does, then look for a duplicate MAC. It does NOT have to be a stat. Any other BACnet...
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    Yes you can write to all setpoints....you just...

    Yes you can write to all setpoints....you just with the old revision could not "override" both the heat & the cool at the same time. Only one of them.

    This was however changed in 2007 & now both...
  44. Thread: Best LON TEC

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    Funny thing is TEC are JCI part numbers. And...

    Funny thing is TEC are JCI part numbers.

    And yes.....compensating for a flawed system design can be a fun challenge to say the least......

    But as pointed; chart the room temp vs setpoint(s) &...
  45. Thread: Best LON TEC

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    What is the Distech part number you have ? ...

    What is the Distech part number you have ?

    LON, BACnet, or other, the ASC base is the same.

    And it should not move the valve too much in all cases ? The PI loop is very conservative.
    What is...
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    You can do it 2 ways now :p Either with an FX...

    You can do it 2 ways now :p

    Either with an FX Jace and enabling MS-TP BACnet routing ( ABCS's products )

    Or.....

    Getting one of the latest NAE build release. 4.x & above I think. They...
  47. Thread: BacNet TEC's

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    berg2666, PM OTW.

    berg2666, PM OTW.
  48. Thread: BacNet TEC's

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    Well, this would give you you definitive answer....

    Well, this would give you you definitive answer. I prefer BAS-O-Matic from Cimetrics for MS-TP. I uses a separate piece of hardware (4+u Box) for monitoring. So as such it does not rely on your local...
  49. Thread: BacNet TEC's

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    Bet your Baud Rate is 76.8 ? Drop it to 38.4...

    Bet your Baud Rate is 76.8 ?

    Drop it to 38.4 There are some critical timer issue in both MS-TP implementation that "could" make it critical at 76.8 between "specifically" Delta & the TEC's
    ...
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    There are limits on all stat models. ...

    There are limits on all stat models.

    Stand-alone, BACnet or LON versions are all the same.

    There are config properties that can be changed either through the network or locally through a...
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