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  1. How can I privately contact you?

    How can I privately contact you?
  2. Oh. I do apologise to everyone. I did not realize...

    Oh. I do apologise to everyone. I did not realize it affected the rank on the thread itself each time I made a post.
    I was trying to intentionally not post long monotonous posts. I merely intended...
  3. I have to also wonder why anyone with nothing to...

    I have to also wonder why anyone with nothing to contribute within subject, would worry how many times I do or do not post in the thread? Care to enlighten me?
  4. Jump in anytime. I am not so much hunting...

    Jump in anytime. I am not so much hunting opinions, as writings from the founders. I would assume sense I began this thread, I can post what I pleased within subject.
    But apparently it is my...
  5. I am not urging people to take my interpretation...

    I am not urging people to take my interpretation of these things. I am however urging people to turn off the hate TV and Radio. Read for themselves. The materials are online free. Think for...
  6. Disposable income will increase for everyone...

    Disposable income will increase for everyone else, once their income increases.

    “A nation is not made wealthy by the childish accumulation of shiny metals, but it enriched by the economic...
  7. Disposable income comes after the necessities of...

    Disposable income comes after the necessities of life.
    Here is the problem. Disposable income has gone way beyond for the top one percent, than they can dispose of. It will, for the most part, sit...
  8. LOL. Well, I do appreciate you saving me the time...

    LOL. Well, I do appreciate you saving me the time from needing to do that ga-hvac-tech .
  9. “No society can surely be flourishing and happy...

    “No society can surely be flourishing and happy of which by far the greater part of the numbers are poor and miserable. ”
    ― Adam Smith
  10. And I can explain that taxation thing if you...

    And I can explain that taxation thing if you like. Let me know.
  11. The very first power of Congress written into the...

    The very first power of Congress written into the Constitution by our nations Founders gave congress the power to levy taxes. The very first power of Congress. No one likes paying taxes, but the...
  12. Then there was Thomas Paine: (arguably, the most...

    Then there was Thomas Paine: (arguably, the most influential of all the founders)

    In his 1796 tract, Agrarian Justice, Paine writes:

    "It is a position not to be controverted that the earth, in...
  13. I disagree in the cause. History shows the higher...

    I disagree in the cause. History shows the higher that tax is, the more money we make and keep active within our economy, the stronger the economy.
    it also helps avoid debt. The more capital is out...
  14. By the way. I want you to remember that reaction...

    By the way. I want you to remember that reaction you had. Thank the local farmers and Fox News for the impressions you had. :)
  15. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be...

    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
    ― John Adams, The Portable John...
  16. Be careful though. I have posted hints in the...

    Be careful though. I have posted hints in the thread.
  17. So what are you willing to put up if I prove you...

    So what are you willing to put up if I prove you wrong beyond a doubt?
  18. I can see you're not convinced yet. Here, here is...

    I can see you're not convinced yet. Here, here is one from Thomas Jefferson, with all the information you need to trace this letter.

    Equality



    CHAPTER 15 | Document 32

    Thomas Jefferson...
  19. So show me why you think they were not. Thomas...

    So show me why you think they were not. Thomas Jefferson, I assure you was, and I can prove that. Can you prove me wrong?
  20. By the way. I apologise. This is not really a...

    By the way. I apologise. This is not really a liberal or conservative issue to me. Its an issue of right vs wrong.
    And many in the wrong are trying very hard to hide behind the left right ideology.
  21. And I assure you wolfstrike. That is in no way...

    And I assure you wolfstrike. That is in no way based on one letter from one man.
    Although, I do hold that one mans opinion of our constitutional duty, to be a bit higher than fox news or the...
  22. So what we know is, many founders felt as the...

    So what we know is, many founders felt as the confederates did.
    Many founders were progressives. Many, and in fact, most were liberals.
  23. “When you think yours is the only true path you...

    “When you think yours is the only true path you forever chain yourself to judging others and narrow the vision of God. The road to righteousness and arrogance is a parallel road that can intersect...
  24. I assure you. It is based on much more than one...

    I assure you. It is based on much more than one letter by one founder.
    Please do ask me to present you with more, but only if you agree it will make an impact on your position.
  25. Do you fellas know who Adam Smith is?

    Do you fellas know who Adam Smith is?
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  27. Our same founders rejected the confederacy, and...

    Our same founders rejected the confederacy, and embraced the constitution, which brought with it, increased power over taxes, and the states.

    Can anyone tell me what president called out the...
  28. Well. They are interesting read for sure. But our...

    Well. They are interesting read for sure. But our founders wrote all those even before they declared independence from the crown. And they were referring mostly to the relationship between the crown...
  29. What Adam Smith was saying there, is that a rise...

    What Adam Smith was saying there, is that a rise in profit, does twice the harm to the economy, than does a rise in wages.
    And that is a scientific fact.

    Why haven't we felt the ill effects...
  30. And I agree about the excessive taxes. But here...

    And I agree about the excessive taxes.
    But here is the flip side of that coin, no one is really talking about. Those who complain most, raise the profits.

    “In regards to the price of...
  31. I can understand that sentiment. All of us do....

    I can understand that sentiment. All of us do. But I think it is a patriotic duty, and a christian duty to pay it. (For myself).

    Every tax, however, is to the person who pays it a badge, not of...
  32. Now guys like Cool whip here are pissed and...

    Now guys like Cool whip here are pissed and besides themselves because Fox News and these far right news sites never mentioned these things. Like the letter from Ben Franklin.
    And now he doesn't...
  33. You know, I voted for Ron Paul for president in...

    You know, I voted for Ron Paul for president in 2012.
    I now regret having done that. I think he is well meaning, but his knowledge of our founders intent stopped where his own desires began.
  34. The reason I say we should help the weak and poor...

    The reason I say we should help the weak and poor right now, is that the founders never intended that business like Mercantilism, which is what we really have, not capitalism, is allowed to run amok....
  35. I think it puts the Bundy Ranch dispute into a...

    I think it puts the Bundy Ranch dispute into a clearer perspective, in favor of the BLM.
  36. I also think it dispels the argument that the Tea...

    I also think it dispels the argument that the Tea Party has used.
  37. There is a difference between Mercantilism and...

    There is a difference between Mercantilism and capitalism.
    Adam Smiths form of capitalism is what Thomas Jefferson advocated for.
  38. Our founders hated Mercantilism, because it made...

    Our founders hated Mercantilism, because it made money off the sweat and blood of the people. It monopolized any industry it ventured into.
  39. Well. I think my point is this. Many today want...

    Well. I think my point is this.
    Many today want to tell us, if we tax people. Regulate business or property. If the government owns land, thats all against what the constitution allows.
    If we...
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    That would be true, except do not forget that the...

    That would be true, except do not forget that the medical industry has actively discouraged competition for years now. Everything they do is completely anti capitalism.

    If I had a heating and air...
  41. I know what my take on that letter is. I am very...

    I know what my take on that letter is. I am very interested in hearing from others.
  42. Here is the short version of what I posted above....

    Here is the short version of what I posted above.
    Its from another source.
    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch16s12.html
  43. I assume you acquired your knowledge of our bible...

    I assume you acquired your knowledge of our bible from the same sources you have your politics and history?

    ◄ 1 Corinthians 13:4 ►
    3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I...
  44. Would you say coolwhip, that the thing that makes...

    Would you say coolwhip, that the thing that makes one a christian, is following and doing what Christ told us all to do? Is that accurate?
  45. When we rebuke someone, because we are backed by...

    When we rebuke someone, because we are backed by facts, it is not hate. But if we rebuke others, and use propaganda and lies, it is most assuredly hate.
  46. I see. And you know scripture dop you? Lets hear...

    I see. And you know scripture dop you? Lets hear some.
  47. Cool whip got burned in another thread. Doesn't...

    Cool whip got burned in another thread. Doesn't seem to appreciate facts and things like that. Seems it gets in the way of his fun of hating others.
  48. BTW Cool whip. I guess you didnt notice I been...

    BTW Cool whip. I guess you didnt notice I been here since 2006. How long does it take the "New" to wear off with you? I see yours is 2004. I would actually have been here longer than you have, had I...
  49. 5th Paragraph down. ...

    5th Paragraph down.

    http://franklinpapers.org/franklin/framedVolumes.jsp?vol=41&page=044
    Property



    CHAPTER 16 | Document 12

    Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris
  50. Discussion of our founding fathers intent for our nation.

    Its a subject which deeply interests me.
    I would like to see and hear information from all sides, on what they feel our founders intended and why.
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