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    It is not a matter of right or wrong, it is a...

    It is not a matter of right or wrong, it is a matter of variables. If you live in an area that is dominated by unions, which has never been a majority of areas, has decreased tremedously and is...
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    That's sort of what the flush stuff smells like...

    That's sort of what the flush stuff smells like anyway.
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    There is nothing wrong with POE oil when properly...

    There is nothing wrong with POE oil when properly used.
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    There is no such thing as a drop in R22...

    There is no such thing as a drop in R22 replacement. If we use any R22 alternative refrigerant, that specific refrigerant would become the only refrigerant to be used in that system.
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    FLUSHING LINE SET A Set the recovery machine...

    FLUSHING LINE SET
    A Set the recovery machine for liquid recovery and start the
    recovery machine. Open the gauge set valves to allow the
    recovery machine to pull a vacuum on the existing system...
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    That's the way I read it as well.

    That's the way I read it as well.
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    All of which may be perfectly accurate. My...

    All of which may be perfectly accurate. My concern is what is going to happen if manufacturer's requirements are not met. Here is the way Allied Air, so presumably Lennox as well, puts it;


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    POE oil is not scaring any of us here. It is the...

    POE oil is not scaring any of us here. It is the contradicting information we are getting about whether or not we are allowed to mix POE and mineral oils with certain refrigerants in certain...
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    I respect all of those who are posting here, so I...

    I respect all of those who are posting here, so I am not arguing what you are stating. I'm just telling ya'll what is coming down the line on the residential R22 compressors.

    If a tech installing...
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    Copeland just made the change for R22 compressors...

    Copeland just made the change for R22 compressors in February. Those compressors didn't start hitting the new dry ship units until June.

    Here's the question; Do you want to take a chance on being...
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    Read the instructions for changing out the...

    Read the instructions for changing out the outdoor units or replacement compressors. It is all there, in writing. Always has been, even before Copeland started putting POE oil in R22 compressors.
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    I agree with a 1year or even 90 day warranty, but...

    I agree with a 1year or even 90 day warranty, but only on units installed with existing 13 SEER systems that are AHRI rated, as dry ship units were designed for.
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    So if you have a compressor failure within the...

    So if you have a compressor failure within the warranty period and Copeland denies the claim because there is mineral oil in the compressor, who are you going to blame? Are you going to charge the...
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    Walmart is the second largest employer in the...

    Walmart is the second largest employer in the U.S., behind the Federal Government (how sad is that?!)
    Walmart has vowed to and is increasing the number of goods they sell that are manufactured in...
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    No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn...

    No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn...
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    While this is definitely part of the issue,...

    While this is definitely part of the issue, Copeland and equipment manufactures are also blaming mixing POE and mineral oils. With so many contradictions from so many sources, who are we to believe?...
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    OK, I just got a bulletin from Allied Air, which...

    OK, I just got a bulletin from Allied Air, which means that Lennox has the same thing, that Copeland is not putting POE oil in all R22 compressors used for 1.5 to 5 ton cooling systems. The bulletin...
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    So what's causing the waxy substance that is...

    So what's causing the waxy substance that is being found clogging up systems and why is it only being found in systems where POE and mineral oils are being mixed? Could it be the percentage of...
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    I get a lot of txv's that fail due to gumming...

    I get a lot of txv's that fail due to gumming that occurs when POE and mineral oils are mixed. Clogs up filter/driers as well.
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    As of February 2014, Copeland has been putting...

    As of February 2014, Copeland has been putting POE oil in all of their R22 compressors. That means that all R22 dry units will have POE oil in them. According to dry 22 unit instructions, linesets...
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    Tequila is compatible with anything....

    Tequila is compatible with anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xN0254u56Mc
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    For R22, you need a CFC certification, but anyone...

    For R22, you need a CFC certification, but anyone can take the test and get one. If an HVAC distributor is selling R22 without requiring a CFC certificate on file, they should be reported for selling...
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    Maybe mom just doesn't know the right places to...

    Maybe mom just doesn't know the right places to go in Pittsburgh. Aside from there being interesting folks who are members of H-Talk in Pittsburgh, there is also a neat hillside tram that mine...
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    Getting old, but still waking up on the green...

    Getting old, but still waking up on the green side of the sod. Hope you guys are doing well also. Are you going to be in Pittsburgh in July?
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    vehicle cooling systems are semi-hermetic and...

    vehicle cooling systems are semi-hermetic and basically designed to leak. Home systems are hermetically sealed and are not designed to leak.

    I did not say that the refrigerant had left the...
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