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    Hospitals masquerading as non-profits. The...

    Hospitals masquerading as non-profits.

    The market manipulation of oil prices.
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    OK, you want to debate the wording? Your post #2...

    OK, you want to debate the wording? Your post #2 showed focus toward the babies that allowed these immigrants to stay here legally… 'anchor babies.' Your next post advocated smashing tiny heads. How...
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    I think we should all agree that babies are off...

    I think we should all agree that babies are off limits….even here.

    I think few here would find humor in your post. Even about Islamic or Mexican babies. Just let it go without taking stabs at me...
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    Thank you. It's the right thing to do. We all get...

    Thank you. It's the right thing to do. We all get carried away here from time to time. :whistle:
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    You can play your words games, but you...

    You can play your words games, but you specifically continued your thoughts from the previous night, which was about anchor babies.



    Go on, do the right thing. Report it yourself and have it...
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    Smashing baby's heads in with rocks? Doesn't this...

    Smashing baby's heads in with rocks? Doesn't this break some sort of forum rule? Do we really have to read this crap?

    Tool, you should do the right thing and report your own post so it gets...
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    Don't cloud the issue with all that stuff. Keep...

    Don't cloud the issue with all that stuff. Keep it simple.

    Does a police dept do its job for more than private police would do the same job for? And since we are comparing apples to apples, give...
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    I do not understand all of your questions. I am...

    I do not understand all of your questions. I am most interested in a cash-flow question.

    Medicare gets its money from two or three places. Money withdrawn from paychecks. Money paid into the...
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    Oh, and a big area where our govt pays less than...

    Oh, and a big area where our govt pays less than the private sector is for every single procedure a doctor or hospital charges for.

    Medicare and Medicaid pay less to those corrupt corps. Using...
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    Then take few of my examples and prove them...

    Then take few of my examples and prove them wrong.



    With a statement like that, I honestly believe you do not have a clue what Obamacare is or how it works.
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    I may be wrong but a few things come to mind:...

    I may be wrong but a few things come to mind:
    Our military vs using private militias like Balckwater.
    Our police departments vs using private security to police entire metropolitan areas....
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    Wrong. I study rates of individually purchased...

    Wrong. I study rates of individually purchased plans and compare those plans to what my family members get through their corp policies. I know for a fact that the corps buy $3,000/mo policies for...
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    Why do you quote my post when you do not respond...

    Why do you quote my post when you do not respond to it?

    Tell me how your move to buy individual insurance will have any impact on our new or old healthcare system?
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    It is not my deductible. It's everyone's...

    It is not my deductible. It's everyone's deductible in my age group and zip code that pay for individual plans.

    Just wondering, did you accurately represent our healthcare system to your Canadian...
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    Would you please list say the top three things...

    Would you please list say the top three things you see wrong and tell how they could be fixed without govt intervention? Actually that question goes to any of you.
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    That is not my joint income, it is the cutoff for...

    That is not my joint income, it is the cutoff for getting a govt subsidy. Any less than that and the govt gives a subsidy for a family of three. Any more and you pay full price.

    There is no such...
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    If you drop your cush insurance through your...

    If you drop your cush insurance through your employer how will that cause a trend or pressure for all corps to drop their corporate healthcare?

    If you drop your corp insurance you will be forced...
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    If I had a joint income of $72,000 a year, I...

    If I had a joint income of $72,000 a year, I would pay that rate just for healthcare. And that is the cheapest plan available that pays the least per procedure.

    Are you another person who is not...
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    No wonder it took over 500 posts for him...

    No wonder it took over 500 posts for him (Brian83) to come clean on his actually involvement in the topic. No wonder he could care less about the Oklahoma Surgical Center. He would never consider...
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    Now things are becoming clearer. You are not...

    Now things are becoming clearer. You are not being bent over by the insurance companies, meaning you have a pre-existing corporate plan that charges you half price and pays more per procedure. You...
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    When the people are kept in the dark by our media...

    When the people are kept in the dark by our media and the hospitals masquerade as non-profits, what is the likeliness of it being fixed by the people? One surgical center ain't squat.

    You say Dr....
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    Only problem is, 'transient Bob' has Medicaid,...

    Only problem is, 'transient Bob' has Medicaid, which is probably paying more than enough to cover the operation done by a zero cash-flow business.

    Until we have many more people like Dr. Smith...
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    This how the hospitals gouge the public and screw...

    This how the hospitals gouge the public and screw the tax man in one fell swoop.

    My ex-wife went to Cedars Sinai Hospital with her United Healthcare Cadillac insurance for an outpatient operation....
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    How about first showing you understand how...

    How about first showing you understand how hospitals and insurance companies operate, pre and post ACA?
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    I have a two questions for you well informed...

    I have a two questions for you well informed gentlemen on the Right.

    Why are hospitals allowed to operate as non-profits?

    Why are they allowed to generate ficticious pricing to avoid paying tax?
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    Someone should use that salesman all the way up...

    Someone should use that salesman all the way up to the purchase of their new vehicle and then switch salesmen to make the deal. Let him know your idea of 'change.'
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    And that vindicates him? How about he tell us...

    And that vindicates him?

    How about he tell us why we went in there in the first place?
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    Then Bush's Iraq mess paved the way for the...

    Then Bush's Iraq mess paved the way for the election of Obama which brought another set of problems.

    No wonder we never hear from Bush. Maybe he had an epiphany. Cheney sure did not.
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    What's scary is not knowing how many in the House...

    What's scary is not knowing how many in the House and Senate agree with that.

    What do you think, are we stupid enough to do it again? Will the Dick Cheneys once again walk the halls of the White...
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    After all these posts and you think I would...

    After all these posts and you think I would object to getting rid of employer bases group plans? Really? You are literally blinded by the fact that you think I am a liberal, that you cannot even hear...
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    You are living in fantasy land, or as the...

    You are living in fantasy land, or as the Republicans say, 'you're drinking the Kool-Aid.'

    Obamacare was the single most brazen accomplishment the lobbyists of the Big 3 have ever pulled off. How...
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    Brian, By constantly touting the free market as...

    Brian,
    By constantly touting the free market as a viable solution it proves you have been shown an unobtainable truth. By touting it you have been made insignificant, very similar to blaming...
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    Using the Oklahoma Surgical Center as an example...

    Using the Oklahoma Surgical Center as an example of the free market at work is like showing the accomplishments of an Olympic Athlete and saying anyone can do that.
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    So with everything in place for a hospital to...

    So with everything in place for a hospital to continue to gouge the public while masquerading as a non-profit, you're saying hospitals will decide to take the high road, lower their prices and...
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    My mistake is that I mistook Brian for Brian....

    My mistake is that I mistook Brian for Brian. Like usual, GA saw it and did not respond to correct it.

    I see how a free market can lower prices but do you really think talking about a free market...
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    I watched an episode of Shark Tank where a guy...

    I watched an episode of Shark Tank where a guy wanted to be patriot to his community and build his widget in his small town. They explained in many ways that if he did that he would fail. It was sad...
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    If progressives, not corps want and cause...

    If progressives, not corps want and cause regulation, and CA is deregulated, how did a state full of progressives get deregulated?

    Is your state regulated because of the wishes of progressives or...
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    GA, I was not part of the nat gas discussion, so...

    GA,
    I was not part of the nat gas discussion, so I do not know what you mean by TWICE. I simply responded to your statement claiming that I paid three times what you paid. It is you that can't show...
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    I can't comment on sprawling vs dense but I am...

    I can't comment on sprawling vs dense but I am curious if anyone pays 1/3 what I pay? Or even close to that. Total free market or otherwise.
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    Come on GA. I gave you my gas details. Let's...

    Come on GA. I gave you my gas details. Let's verify that you pay 1/3 of what I do. I am really curious. Really.
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    The Longshoring Union will do that plus pay them...

    The Longshoring Union will do that plus pay them an $80,000/yr pension for life.

    And Long Beach City Officials dwarf that.
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    So what is your average cost per therm? And do...

    So what is your average cost per therm?

    And do you have a cost per therm line item that multiplies total therms used by a say 0.4520 amount?

    Basically I used 59 therms and it cost $59.00.
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    I don't have a choice of nat gas providers. I pay...

    I don't have a choice of nat gas providers. I pay the City of Long Beach, along with water and refuse on the same bill.

    My zip is 90814.

    (Correction to above total gas bill. It was $59.24, not...
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    Even our Downtown Long Beach, CA bureaucrats get...

    Even our Downtown Long Beach, CA bureaucrats get that. But so do firemen, police and unions…at least some unions.

    It is common knowledge that those that run their business into the ground get the...
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    Before I respond to your post let's see if your...

    Before I respond to your post let's see if your claim of our nat gas being three times yours is true.

    My nat. gas cost per my Dec. 2014 bill:
    Therms ...
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    ALL large corporate plans cost less to the...

    ALL large corporate plans cost less to the employer/employee AND pay more for a medical procedure. Congress is not the only one benefiting from not using ACA. Millions of us are too, but you won't...
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    What you don't get is that I understand what you...

    What you don't get is that I understand what you are saying, but it is only half of the equation. And, your half is unobtainable. What you are saying is for lobbyists to stop using their money and...
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    I can buy windows for about 5% less than you can...

    I can buy windows for about 5% less than you can buy them for.



    But for 50% off? Do you think police depts buy their base Crown Victorias for half off our best price?



    I do the same, but...
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    I'd love to watch you stand behind a podium and...

    I'd love to watch you stand behind a podium and argue our healthcare crisis. You would repeat the same phrase over and over and over until everyone fell asleep. "Just bring back the free market, just...
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    No, I've got a better question. Why does a...

    No, I've got a better question. Why does a corporate bought policy from Blue Cross pay a doctor more than a new individually purchased policy from Blue Cross? Even when the new individually purchased...
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