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  1. You want to know founder intent? Easy peasy. ...

    You want to know founder intent?

    Easy peasy.

    Read the Federalist Papers.
  2. Oh? When did I admit that? Please provide post...

    Oh? When did I admit that? Please provide post number and quote.
  3. :munching:

    :munching:
  4. There ABSOLUTELY ZERO data, studies or even...

    There ABSOLUTELY ZERO data, studies or even comment from someone actually in the field of science that supports this view. Basically, you folks have NEVER EVEN SEEN this instrument. Or seen how it is...
  5. Well, the Greeks also measured the distance to...

    Well, the Greeks also measured the distance to the moon which at the time could be considered "impossible".

    You have still yet to say what is wrong with the tool. The number is not a one year...
  6. Well, I began with K's point about science and...

    Well, I began with K's point about science and God co-existing. Then your mention of the 'big picture'. Perhaps I would have been better off quoting K's post but to me there was a logical flow there....
  7. Well, what one believes is a highly personal...

    Well, what one believes is a highly personal thing to be sure. I would say that the people with the problem are those who insist on what they consider to be a literal interpretation of Genesis.
    ...
  8. Great link! Yes, the ancient Greeks were amazing...

    Great link! Yes, the ancient Greeks were amazing with math and quite a bit ahead of their time.

    Thanks for posting that. It serves to illustrate that just because one might not understand how...
  9. *chuckle* Come on, Tool. You can do better...

    *chuckle*

    Come on, Tool. You can do better than that.

    Have you checked out the instrument and can you tell us why you suspect that the stated error rate is off? Of course you didn't. You simply...
  10. Ah. So, to you, the existence of gravity is an...

    Ah. So, to you, the existence of gravity is an opinion.

    Right. Just wanted everyone to see what we're dealing with here. :)

    Actually no. I do not wish to live a wicked life. It is simply that I...
  11. Ok fans, here is where things get good. Because...

    Ok fans, here is where things get good. Because now I will move from the world of the factual to that of the philosophical.

    Adam did not sin.

    Bear with me. The key to this story is deterrence....
  12. Chase, with all due respect despite our past...

    Chase, with all due respect despite our past squabbles, I've already explained this. It is simply that it is off the script you have read (as we've been discussing how this same phenomena relates to...
  13. Let me put it this way; I don't know and/or...

    Let me put it this way; I don't know and/or understand what happened before the big bang occurred. Might have been 7 linked universes that perpetually sustain each other. It might have been a...
  14. I've never stated my views about he origins of...

    I've never stated my views about he origins of life on these forums that I know of; thus I have nothing to defend.

    In fact, you've done all the talking so far on the subject. From water and rocks...
  15. So, it's minerals and radiation now? lmao ...

    So, it's minerals and radiation now?

    lmao

    Ladies and gentlemen. I rest my case.
  16. Thread: The Plan

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    There are many asteroids that we don't know...

    There are many asteroids that we don't know about. We don't know exactly how many because asteroids are dim and difficult to detect visually at times. We have cataloged some 50,000 asteroids that...
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    I agree, GA. In fact, I'll even take it a bit...

    I agree, GA. In fact, I'll even take it a bit further. People are fracking lazy. They love to whine and complain, but actually DO something? That takes work. Folks would much rather go home after a...
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    If I may, the point you make here actually...

    If I may, the point you make here actually extends back to WWI and how to divide the so-called spoils of war. It would actually take significant study to understand the whole mess, but I believe we...
  19. Granted. So... fight it, don't surrender to it. ...

    Granted. So... fight it, don't surrender to it.

    The way I see things, I've given you the path to discovery. Don't believe what newspapers, TV shows or magazines say about science. Instead, track...
  20. I've certainly enjoyed the conversations, it just...

    I've certainly enjoyed the conversations, it just seems like we're in a circle now. :)
  21. I know that, Glenn. That's why I have tried to...

    I know that, Glenn. That's why I have tried to get you guys to see that there is a way to bypass the spin and get directly to what the studies say. I'm not sure what this all means for the future,...
  22. Glenn, well it is not an easy thing to do,...

    Glenn, well it is not an easy thing to do, because you have to use a device that will take the measurement but still be unaffected by waves and the tide.
    ...
  23. Well, you guys are pretty much hopeless. I give...

    Well, you guys are pretty much hopeless. I give up. Especially since I've addressed all of your claims and now here you are simply making them all over again.

    See no evil. Hear no evil. Speak no...
  24. Whoops double post

    Whoops double post
  25. Except that the data does not come from polecats....

    Except that the data does not come from polecats. It comes from scientific white papers.

    I can see that the entirety of the last 38 pages was a complete waste of time. No one read any of what I've...
  26. So, the NINE different indicators that I posted...

    So, the NINE different indicators that I posted just simply isn't enough to tell?

    Seems like a pretty bizarre position to me. It is clear that this is some sort of 'any port in a storm' thing.
    ...
  27. Of course there is a margin of error. Everything...

    Of course there is a margin of error. Everything has one. You make it sound like some mysterious hidden secret that is being covered up.

    This was already addressed in one of my many links to this...
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    Glenn, I don't think you parsed that correctly....

    Glenn, I don't think you parsed that correctly. It has nothing to do with the past. I agree that things are much better and have said so many times.

    But my post has nothing to do with that since...
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    No. He is simply doing the same thing that ALL...

    No. He is simply doing the same thing that ALL believers do, Christian's included.

    It's a logical fallacy called "No true Scotsman". It is an attempt to retain an unsupported position. Like this;...
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    Well, I sort of accidentally discovered one of...

    Well, I sort of accidentally discovered one of the reasons.

    See, the thing is, I wondered why OPEC wasn't acting to manipulate the price just like they had in every other occurrence in modern...
  31. Ah, but models don't effect the past. I mean,...

    Ah, but models don't effect the past. I mean, sure they can help examine the past, but they can't change it. The only thing fudging model data that predicts the future does is to manipulate...
  32. Yeah "settled" is not the right word. But you...

    Yeah "settled" is not the right word. But you never read that in a white paper. You heard a scientist or a politician speak it.

    The correct way to say it is that man's involvement is the common...
  33. Please don't talk to me about the state of...

    Please don't talk to me about the state of 'science' TV.

    The Discovery Channel has really become a pile of steaming crap. It's embarrassing and no wonder people don't trust real science. :(
  34. As an aside, I would like to also point that that...

    As an aside, I would like to also point that that I am only recommending that you READ the white papers, not that you should agree with every one JUST BECAUSE it is a white paper.

    The best thing...
  35. Congratulations! You've just PRECISELY described...

    Congratulations! You've just PRECISELY described a scientific white paper!

    *shakes GA's hand vigerously*

    I think my work is done here. :)
  36. Heh. Our memories are different I guess. :) I...

    Heh. Our memories are different I guess. :)

    I think the comparisons to CC/GW are stunning. Like now, Dems were all over 'big tobacco' and conservatives were seen as protective of 'big business'...
  37. By people other than scientists. So, why can't...

    By people other than scientists. So, why can't you see that reading REAL science instead of 'spin' is your scientific salvation? :)
  38. Yes. Just like the tobacco lobby. And the Ozone...

    Yes. Just like the tobacco lobby. And the Ozone Hole. :)

    I'll take that bet.

    The tobacco lobby is probably the closest. I don't personally know anyone these days that say that scientists were...
  39. Er, not quite. The first El Nino was observed in...

    Er, not quite. The first El Nino was observed in the 1600s and its effect quantified. Perhaps you are referring to the fact that we first learned to PREDICT them in the 1980s. So, the idea that these...
  40. Now I've got my buddy ChaseAir (in The Cage)...

    Now I've got my buddy ChaseAir (in The Cage) proclaiming that science claims that all life evolved from a rock.

    Yeah, I'm sure scientists are responsible for that.
  41. I didn't say that science comes up with...

    I didn't say that science comes up with everything. I basically said that science has worked wonders. But now all of a sudden it can't because it is so messed up?
  42. No argument. So how is it wrong to say ignore...

    No argument. So how is it wrong to say ignore news media, politicians and political media, religious media, and simply read the science papers THEMSELVES?
  43. Well, you've already agreed that most scientists...

    Well, you've already agreed that most scientists simply do their jobs. They do. They also write the papers.

    What happens after that might upset you, but you can always go back and check the paper....
  44. See, this sort of thing makes me kind of...

    See, this sort of thing makes me kind of uncomfortable. Almost like you LIKE having Conservatives being known as an anti-science group.

    Well, I AM a conservative so it is in no way absurd for me...
  45. Brian, I agree with you. But the source of this...

    Brian, I agree with you. But the source of this IS NOT SCIENCE.

    Take the Aspartame study. Read it. Tell me what about the procedures or the conclusions that were unclear or improper. In my...
  46. Exactly my point GA. Get your science from the...

    Exactly my point GA. Get your science from the source, not news, political or religious ones.

    Again, you talk politics. I talk science.
  47. Right. I guess mentioning that the scientific...

    Right. I guess mentioning that the scientific method and peer review were created with human nature in mind and precisely to combat those types of ill effects is no more believed now than the other...
  48. Well, the problem is new facts have appeared...

    Well, the problem is new facts have appeared since then.

    First there is the aforementioned issue with "no denomination". The second is the type of immigrants coming to America.

    I relate the...
  49. Unfortunately, we are not discussing the same...

    Unfortunately, we are not discussing the same thing.

    I am talking about science. You are talking about politics.

    Politicians are the ones who will decide what to do, if anything. I say that...
  50. Ok, well if everything is all one big conspiracy...

    Ok, well if everything is all one big conspiracy theory, one wonders how we made the greatest inventions of the last century like computers or landed men on the moon.

    The same science was used.
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