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  1. Right now in CA the insurance companies are...

    Right now in CA the insurance companies are spending 50 million dollars to fight legislation that would make them accountable for their rates.

    You should see the nice, hot looking doctor/actor...
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    I recall an interesting UFO story that never made...

    I recall an interesting UFO story that never made it to the news.

    About thirty years ago my girlfriend at the time was visiting friends and relatives in England. While at the dinner table one...
  3. Which leads me to believe that the people that...

    Which leads me to believe that the people that wanted Obamacare and Romneycare are in control of both Parties. These are also the people that hide behind the Left vs. Right conflict.
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    If you looked at the two incidents with a shred...

    If you looked at the two incidents with a shred of openmidedness you would see that the two events are very different. This would cause the witness reports to vary.

    The Phoenix Lights was at...
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    It could be part of the reason why our lunar...

    It could be part of the reason why our lunar missions were so abruptly terminated, especially when the next two flights were built, funded and ready to go. But if a scientist stood in front of a...
  6. And it is just coincidental that our mega...

    And it is just coincidental that our mega corporations just happen to benefit from it immensely?

    We will never know how influential the health insurance industry, health care and big pharm were...
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    And there is you stating we said something that...

    And there is you stating we said something that we did not. No UFO investigator worth anything has ever said that we have the answers. Not with UFOs or with the Phoenix Lights.
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    For the sole purpose of applying those...

    For the sole purpose of applying those capabilities to anyone who disagrees with your paradigm.
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    Slap a fancy label on it like 'vector analysis'...

    Slap a fancy label on it like 'vector analysis' and we are all supposed to bow down to it. You can kiss their feet yourself.


    I parse through bull**** statements like this. Let me finish your...
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    You should sit back for once read the crap you...

    You should sit back for once read the crap you write. Now you are saying it is not the hundreds of witness that are saying they saw a huge, silent, slow moving craft move through their sky that...
  11. What's the old saying "follow the money?" ...

    What's the old saying "follow the money?"

    It's no wonder the rates are skyrocketing. ACA was written by the insurance companies and blamed on our Decoy and Chief.

    If their income increased by...
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    But they ALL just happen to be full of sh!t,...

    But they ALL just happen to be full of sh!t, right? And your one "expert" is the only one who saw it accurately? Can you spell arrogant? Because I can spell delusional and biased.

    But let's not...
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    Finally something may have hit home. :Faint:

    Finally something may have hit home. :Faint:
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    Some people cling to religion because of feelings...

    Some people cling to religion because of feelings of insecurity and a need to feel exclusive. IMO, you cling to science for similar reasons.

    Who would dare question "The Word of God?" Who would...
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    You remind me of when the reporters cornered...

    You remind me of when the reporters cornered Johnny Cochran on the courthouse steps every day after trial. He could look them in the eye and spin his one sided approach all day long with a straight...
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    There is eyewitness testimony of everything I...

    There is eyewitness testimony of everything I said. The problem is all opposing eyewitness testimony is rubbish to you. So how does one proceed?
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    Well, thanks for the lengthy response. I think it...

    Well, thanks for the lengthy response. I think it took delusion to put that down in print. You probably think it took expertise.

    I never was about changing your mind on this mystery. Rather I was...
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    If you insist that an "expert" analyzing a grainy...

    If you insist that an "expert" analyzing a grainy video can trump up close eyewitness, well, let's take a closer look at what the expert is saying.

    If he saw lights in a fixed 'V' formation (as...
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    Yet you will not respond to any of the points I...

    Yet you will not respond to any of the points I made against it. Why?
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    Notice how silent he has become on The Phoenix...

    Notice how silent he has become on The Phoenix Lights witness(s)?
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    Scrogg, Would the scientific community ask that...

    Scrogg,
    Would the scientific community ask that they all be released?
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    Everything has faked evidence if that is all you...

    Everything has faked evidence if that is all you are looking for. It is the easiest way for a lawyer to win a case. Find one untrue statement, purposeful or not, and you win the case. It's the...
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    I know what Project Mogul was, but so did Jesse...

    I know what Project Mogul was, but so did Jesse Marcel and his base commander.
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    No, because it matches the description CW gave...

    No, because it matches the description CW gave and the description of countless others.



    Not when you have hundreds of other witnesses that saw it up close with their naked eyes. One guy...
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    First off, Scrogg is not a skeptic, he is a...

    First off, Scrogg is not a skeptic, he is a debunker. I am a skeptic. A skeptic will look at the evidence and take a skeptical view of it, making a determination without prejudice. A debunker will...
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    There is nothing wrong with seeking hard,...

    There is nothing wrong with seeking hard, tangible evidence, but it's only used to convince people of something. It has nothing to do with determining what is real or not. The real truth is, as in...
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    The big difference between demons and ETs is that...

    The big difference between demons and ETs is that demons will typically flee at the calling of Jesus Christ. But that does not work on ETs. Besides, why would the Devil need to do medial procedures...
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    I do not believe disclosure will ever happen....

    I do not believe disclosure will ever happen. They'd have too much to lose. How could they tell us that they have been lying to us all along and they do not have control of our skies?
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    I hear people speak of the demonic aspect of UFOs...

    I hear people speak of the demonic aspect of UFOs and I thought there were nuts. Now I do not discount it as much. They do fall into that category even though I do not believe in the Devil. But I do...
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    All fluff, all crap and all totally avoiding the...

    All fluff, all crap and all totally avoiding the subject. You get personal as soon as the going gets tough. Typical childish move. Also a move that would not be allowed during a debate. But of course...
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    I see you are running again by not addressing my...

    I see you are running again by not addressing my post. Can you really look at that guy and the many others and call them nuts? Or are you going to coddle the one guy out of ten thousand.

    As to...
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    And more UP CLOSE witnesses. ...

    And more UP CLOSE witnesses.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxdBioKG-C4
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    Yes, UP CLOSE. ...

    Yes, UP CLOSE.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tbtkk9PDj8

    My only questions to you guys would be:

    How would you describe what you saw if you were standing next to these people that night?...
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    Don't fool yourself. The intent of this thread...

    Don't fool yourself. The intent of this thread was NOT to discuss UFOs or "observed anomalies in space."
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    It already has.

    It already has.
  36. I'm in So Cal too and my water rates haven't...

    I'm in So Cal too and my water rates haven't changed at all. $50 last month.

    They ought to cut off the golf course before the San Joaquin Valley. Got seven of them around my house as green as ever.
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    HAVC is a complicated trade, but if you think an...

    HAVC is a complicated trade, but if you think an HVAC tech has anything over a good auto mechanic you are giving yourself too much credit. Auto Mechanics have a far greater diversity of knowledge and...
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    If I interviewed ten different people at a race...

    If I interviewed ten different people at a race track and asked them to recount the race for me, if I got descriptions of any varying degree, I should assume the race never took place. Got it! Even...
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    It often takes more than one sentence to get a...

    It often takes more than one sentence to get a point across. When you omit the rest of my statement to critique part of it, I assume you got my point but won't respond to it.



    So the...
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    Isn't every decision you make behind the wheel...

    Isn't every decision you make behind the wheel based on anecdotal evidence, which means you routinely base your life on it?



    I do not agree. You use the word with the caveat that a visual...
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    I need more baby steps. Are people on Medicare...

    I need more baby steps. Are people on Medicare not allowed into the ER and subsequent treatments? My mother-in-law just had her gall bladder out. They wanted to take it out the day of the diagnosis....
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    I'd guess that over 75% of the decisions you make...

    I'd guess that over 75% of the decisions you make are based on anecdotal evidence. All the way down to the choice of spouse, investment opportunities, even when you apply your brakes on the road.
    ...
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    If she received the care Medicare patients get,...

    If she received the care Medicare patients get, I'd say she would survive.

    I have to ask: is Medicare 'big progressive government control' also? If so, do conservative want it abolished. If not,...
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    Since you said scientific evidence was used, I...

    Since you said scientific evidence was used, I thought you were back to the towers. If not, where is scientific evidence of the Phoenix Lights? One supposed cherry picked expert that says what was in...
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    Now that sounds like 20/20 hindsight. You are...

    Now that sounds like 20/20 hindsight. You are saying it is obvious they used flawed criteria because you must assume the fire was hotter to do that destruction.

    So they assumed any plane that...
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    Let's just take one piece of scientific evidence....

    Let's just take one piece of scientific evidence. Where is the metallurgy evidence of what cut or tore those beams? Not one cherry picked test, but dozens of beam tests.

    We all saw them. They...
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    I think you are both right. If they...

    I think you are both right.



    If they eliminated employer provided health benefits then every everybody would have to write that $1,000 check to their health insurance company every month. We...
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    You have the choice to think one man pulled that...

    You have the choice to think one man pulled that off, but if so, something tells me you did not spend much time looking into the event.

    From what I have gathered, it was 'Truthers' that forced the...
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    How many do you think were in on the JFK...

    How many do you think were in on the JFK Assassination?

    Did they ever talk?
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    Does the CIA eventually talk about all the covert...

    Does the CIA eventually talk about all the covert missions they perform? No. They are not stupid idiots like our politicians. They are more sophisticated and capable than we give them credit for....
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