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  1. Thread: New Apprentice

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    All the BS you have to put up with your first...

    All the BS you have to put up with your first five years is the reason why I quit and got into engineering. Now, I don't have to deal with anybody's sh*t.

    If you have a brain, design the systems...
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    Those with technical experience and engineering...

    Those with technical experience and engineering degrees make well over $100k. A college degree is more important now than it ever was before. A HS diploma is now meaningless and you need at least a...
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    Actually, it is a bull**** question. I used to...

    Actually, it is a bull**** question. I used to work in HR and also as a headhunter for a temp agency before I discovered HVAC. I was pursuing a psychology degree at the time as well, so my boss made...
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    Actually, my point was that the core requirements...

    Actually, my point was that the core requirements (the HVAC courses) in an associates degree in HVAC from a community college won't transfer to a 4-year college. Only the gen-ed credits will.

    As...
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    Vocational credits don't usually transfer to a 4...

    Vocational credits don't usually transfer to a 4 year college anyway. There are some 4-year colleges that offer 2+2 degrees, where they will take your HVAC credits in transfer. However, the only...
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    Depends on education + work experience + test...

    Depends on education + work experience + test score + interview score.

    It's really tough right now to get an apprenticeship. My local only took a few guys last time and two of them had engineering...
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    If that's the case, go to the CC. Geez, for $30k...

    If that's the case, go to the CC. Geez, for $30k you can get a 4-year degree in mechanical or electrical engineering from a state university.
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    Which one is going to help you find a job? ...

    Which one is going to help you find a job?

    Tech schools have better job placement services usually. Ask them what their job placement rate is. Then go to the community college, and ask one of the...
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    When I was going to trade school, there was a guy...

    When I was going to trade school, there was a guy in my class with a big tattoo on his face. He was hired on right away. Companies were desperate for people then I guess.
  10. Thread: halliburton kbr

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    I know an electrician who worked for KBR in Iraq....

    I know an electrician who worked for KBR in Iraq. He made $160k in 10 months. Maybe the electricians make a lot more. Not sure.

    He had nothing good to say about the experience though. Apparently,...
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    Did you go to a community college or a trade...

    Did you go to a community college or a trade school?

    The trend I noticed is that community college grads have a tougher time finding a job because their job placement services aren't nearly as...
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    Perhaps you can learn a different trade...

    Perhaps you can learn a different trade (electrician) and work on the new construction side. That way, your driving record won't really matter as you won't be doing service calls.
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    An AAS in HVAC or Electromechanical would be more...

    An AAS in HVAC or Electromechanical would be more logical if they offer it. I would start applying for apprenticeship now though if I were you. There is no guarantee that you'll get in the first...
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    The union pays for your schooling. If you want to...

    The union pays for your schooling. If you want to go to a community college or a trade school first, I think the GI Bill will cover your tuition. It's not necessary though. I would just apply for...
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    Here in Vegas, UA Local 525 has a helmets to...

    Here in Vegas, UA Local 525 has a helmets to hardhats program. It allows for former military to transition into a career in construction or the HVAC service side. I'm sure they do the same thing...
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    All you really need is an EPA 608 to get started...

    All you really need is an EPA 608 to get started in this trade. However, with the economy the way it is now, there are plenty of applicants who went to trade school/community college. Obviously, an...
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    If it can help you get in as a first year...

    If it can help you get in as a first year apprentice, it's not worthless.

    Don't expect to start out as a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year apprentice though just because you have the degree.
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    I don't think it really matters. You can replace...

    I don't think it really matters. You can replace education with work experience. There are several good techs who have never set foot in a college.

    I suppose in some areas it might be helpful. I...
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    The BS from Ferris State would be a waste of...

    The BS from Ferris State would be a waste of time/money. It's not a real engineering degree. It's an engineering technology degree and it's not ABET accredited, which means you'd never be able to get...
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    I prefer trade schools over community colleges....

    I prefer trade schools over community colleges. It may cost a little more, but you learn a bit faster. Plus, trade schools have much better job placement services than community colleges.
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    Just curious. Why do you have to put that job...

    Just curious.

    Why do you have to put that job on your resume? Why not just leave it off? A gap is better than a negative work history.

    Go to another town.

    BTW, what does having "straight...
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    All white collar jobs can be outsourced, and it...

    All white collar jobs can be outsourced, and it will happen in this country in the near future. Just as manufacturing jobs are no longer secure in this country, we're already seeing accounting,...
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    Many trade schools offer accelerated 6-10 month...

    Many trade schools offer accelerated 6-10 month programs. If I had to choose, I'd go with a trade school rather than the 2-year community college route. Reason why, when you do get into the union,...
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    That's pretty much the norm, and it's not hard to...

    That's pretty much the norm, and it's not hard to understand why. Guys on the construction side are laid off more often.
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    I agree. If I see typos or misspelled words on...

    I agree.

    If I see typos or misspelled words on an employer's job listing, I don't even bother applying. It tells me that either the owner or the people hired on by him/her aren't too bright.
    ...
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    I'm not exactly sure what you're implying by this...

    I'm not exactly sure what you're implying by this post.

    I applied for apprenticeship with Local 597 twice. The first time, I didn't do well on the test. The second time, I scored a 95% and I...
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    Chicago's screwed up. I left Chicago because I...

    Chicago's screwed up.

    I left Chicago because I knew I had no chance of getting in there. With the way things are now, it will probably take you at least 2 years to get in unless you "know"...
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    I'm not sure Florida is a great place to be. I...

    I'm not sure Florida is a great place to be. I lived there for a year and couldn't stand it. There are too many one-man shops, so there's a lot of competition for jobs that don't pay very well at...
  29. Thread: Starting Wages?

    by ideafx
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    Despite the higher costs for healthcare in the...

    Despite the higher costs for healthcare in the union, the benefits are still 1000% percent better than any non-union contractor I've came across with the exception of very large companies like JCI.
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    Maybe get out of Ontario. In the beginning, you...

    Maybe get out of Ontario. In the beginning, you have to go where the money/work is.

    I'm not sure what the work outlook is like in Ontario, but I encountered a similar situation in Chicago and...
  31. Thread: service wage?

    by ideafx
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    Huh? Didn't you post this yesterday? :confused: ...

    Huh? Didn't you post this yesterday? :confused:

    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=185033
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    Total package for Local 230 guys is $49.47/hr...

    Total package for Local 230 guys is $49.47/hr according to their website. $33.86 on the check. $29 seems kind of low for Southern California.

    With your experience, I'd ask for at least $35 on the...
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    Only if you don't take the job for less than half...

    Only if you don't take the job for less than half the pay that an American will do it for.
  34. Thread: Thinking Union?

    by ideafx
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    Get out of Michigan.

    Get out of Michigan.
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    No different than an auto mechanic charging $800...

    No different than an auto mechanic charging $800 to replace a blown head gasket. How much does a gasket cast? $50?
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    Why don't you just open up the yellow pages and...

    Why don't you just open up the yellow pages and look for a contractor? If you're trying to get a lowball offer from a contractor, here is not the place. Techs/installers in Florida don't make much...
  37. Thread: Thinking Union?

    by ideafx
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    Plumber and Pipefitters Local 597:...

    Plumber and Pipefitters Local 597: http://www.pf597.org/

    You apply for apprenticeship. Take a test and an interview. If you get in, they'll start you off at 45% of journeyman scale. You'll be...
  38. Thread: Thinking Union?

    by ideafx
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    There's so much nepotism and BS in Chicago when...

    There's so much nepotism and BS in Chicago when it comes to unions, it's ridiculous. I moved to Las Vegas as I knew I had no chance of getting into Local 597. Local 73 (SMWIA) isn't much better...
  39. Thread: In House HVAC

    by ideafx
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    Kind of a messed up trade, isn't it? Where good...

    Kind of a messed up trade, isn't it? Where good experience and skills doesn't necessarily mean you'll get the job or better pay than someone else. I can't imagine the same being true in other fields...
  40. Thread: UA vs SMW

    by ideafx
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    I have another question for the union guys. How...

    I have another question for the union guys. How many times did you apply until you finally got into the apprenticeship program? Some guys have told me that it took them 10 years to get in. I'm not...
  41. Thread: WHY

    by ideafx
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    I plan on applying for apprenticeship in a couple...

    I plan on applying for apprenticeship in a couple of weeks with Local 525 (Vegas), and this is one thing I am curious about.

    Are there A scale service guys? Or do only plumbers/pipefitters get A...
  42. Thread: WHY

    by ideafx
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    Don't go to Florida. They'll start you off at...

    Don't go to Florida. They'll start you off at $8/hour, and the cost of living isn't all that low. Not to mention the crackheads and pedophiles you'll be surrounded by.
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    I was considering going to HVAC school in Vegas...

    I was considering going to HVAC school in Vegas if I'm not able to get into Local 525's apprenticeship program. But after reading several posts on this forum, I'm having second thoughts.

    Perhaps I...
  44. Thread: Pathetic

    by ideafx
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    The money to pay for roads comes from the gas...

    The money to pay for roads comes from the gas tax. The money to pay for police, fire, schools comes from property tax or state income tax which is typically fairly low anyway. Most of the money used...
  45. Thread: UA vs SMW

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    UA vs SMW

    Hi,

    I have a couple of questions for the union guys here. I plan on moving to either Las Vegas or central Florida early next year and becoming an apprentice. Wages are higher in Vegas, but I think...
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    Yah, I already knew that, which I why I mentioned...

    Yah, I already knew that, which I why I mentioned the Local that I plan on applying to.

    My question was: Do members of each specialization earn the same wage? Do HVAC Techs make the same as...
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    Question for Union Guys

    I plan on moving to Las Vegas later this year and applying for apprenticeship with UA Local 525. I'm most interested in HVAC, but they offer apprenticeships in the following areas:

    Commercial &...
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    Best Trade to Enter?

    I am a 23 year old from the Chicagoland area and am looking to enter the trades. I attended college after finishing high school about 5 years ago with the intent of being an accountant. I later...
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