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  1. in some of the pictures i seen in a armstrong...

    in some of the pictures i seen in a armstrong catalog the horizontal coils the header looked much different. the outlet was slightly lower and smaller then the inlet.
    Hard to tell from the picture...
  2. Fan is under the coil. I can see the coil from...

    Fan is under the coil. I can see the coil from top and bottom. coil looks flat. no slope in coil nor header.
  3. yes it is.

    yes it is.
  4. I have some new information. Looks like the...

    I have some new information.

    Looks like the original assessment was incorrect.

    When the system "locks up", we were going by the dial thermometer located 1 foot below the coil on the edge of...
  5. I thought of extending the air vents as well. I...

    I thought of extending the air vents as well. I will end up doing that in the near future.
  6. BEEN THERE DONE THAT! :grin2:

    BEEN THERE DONE THAT! :grin2:
  7. Hi Cledus, I am still waiting to see how many...

    Hi Cledus, I am still waiting to see how many days it can go before it fails.

    after installing the 2 air vents, It stopped working again. so after screwing around with it for a while, I put it...
  8. LOL yes they are! over 400 each. I ended up...

    LOL yes they are! over 400 each. I ended up buying some cheaper ones that did not work for me. some Armstrong m# TS-2. its not what I wanted but the sales guy told me they'd work great.
    I found that...
  9. work still in progress guys. I installed 2 air...

    work still in progress guys.
    I installed 2 air vents and they did not fix the problem.
    I ended up cracking loose one of the air vents (the one I installed on the top of the steam trap) to get it to...
  10. I did not Buford. its a F n t type

    I did not Buford. its a F n t type
  11. " i don't know how, whatever you have installed...

    " i don't know how, whatever you have installed on the steam header is configured, so if it is similar to what is on the condensate, have him bring along a rod that will fit through the pipe it is...
  12. Cledus, I am looking into the vent / breaker you...

    Cledus, I am looking into the vent / breaker you suggested. Could you tell me why I would want to introduce more air into the system with a vac breaker?
  13. Cledus, I have very little experience with steam....

    Cledus, I have very little experience with steam. I have been in the HVAC tech for 30 years. (Warmer climates). Even tho I dont know **** about steam, I seem to be the only one so far that may have...
  14. Well, I may have found our answer.or at least a...

    Well, I may have found our answer.or at least a strong clue.
    This morning was the first morning where the problem did not occur, the operator did not have to drain the water out.
    last night was...
  15. you will be able to tell if the header was design...

    you will be able to tell if the header was design for horizontal operation? I cant even see the header.
  16. I find it interesting that still no one thinks a...

    I find it interesting that still no one thinks a contractor installed a vertical coil in a horizontal position.
    Even tho every part has been changed (after this last coil was installed) and the...
  17. don't you need to know the brand?

    don't you need to know the brand?
  18. Well, we know its not all steam in there lol. the...

    Well, we know its not all steam in there lol. the way I look at it, its either full of water or a lot of air.
  19. I did 2 things differently recently and got some...

    I did 2 things differently recently and got some interesting results.

    1. while the system was still functioning, I closed the hand valve to the air handler and waited till the discharge temp...
  20. I have done it many times, BBeerme. When I open...

    I have done it many times, BBeerme. When I open the valve at the strainer it works almost as good as when we do it in conjunction with closing the hand valve coming into the air handler. Lots of...
  21. the silver thing is a air vent. there was a vac...

    the silver thing is a air vent. there was a vac breaker before the coil (after the heating valve) but I removed that yesterday.
  22. I am doing a test tonight. Earlier I cracked open...

    I am doing a test tonight. Earlier I cracked open the fitting on the top left side of the steam trap. I will check it tomorrow morning to see if it helped.
    I am hoping if there is air trapped...
  23. we are in Oregon Poodle

    we are in Oregon Poodle
  24. I removed the vac breaker a few hours ago. The...

    I removed the vac breaker a few hours ago.
    The reason I did this was of what I observed earlier today.
    The unit was heating properly when I decided to close the hand valve before the heat valve,...
  25. To be clear, I believe the problem is there's...

    To be clear, I believe the problem is there's steam instead of water at the trap.
    the design and location of the coil + that reducing elbow leaving the coil is causing water to hang up in the coil....
  26. I dont recall saying it comes out in a trickle. I...

    I dont recall saying it comes out in a trickle. I did mention when the hand valve before the coil is closed it takes it time coming out i think.
    like i said earlier, i will try and take a video of...
  27. I think you might be asking for something that...

    I think you might be asking for something that has been tried a few times.
    You want me to ask the operator to only open the hand valve at the strainer until only steam comes out, yes?
    if so, he...
  28. I believe what is happening is water is stuck...

    I believe what is happening is water is stuck inside the coil and only steam is leaving the coil causing the trap to shut down. the way the operator gets it to work each morning is to close the hand...
  29. also wanted to point out, the heating valve is...

    also wanted to point out, the heating valve is always fully open and it has a vacuum breaker right after it (before the coil) so i really doubt there is a vac or no pressure in the coil. pressure...
  30. Not that we know of Vice. we have tried opening...

    Not that we know of Vice. we have tried opening up the hand valve at the trap and a normal amount of water would drain out and it did not seem to make any difference. only proved that the condensate...
  31. I dont know the size of it nor the coil. I can...

    I dont know the size of it nor the coil. I can tell you they tried installed a larger steam trap then the one that had been there for years and it did not help.
  32. i forgot the name of it but its a float and...

    i forgot the name of it but its a float and thermostatic type trap. I believe they even replaced it with a larger size and it did not help. (the one b4 was smaller)
  33. Why do you think that coil is the right coil? not...

    Why do you think that coil is the right coil? not sure you can tell by the picture but the inlet and outlet are both at the same level. I have seen other coils meant for vertical air flow and the...
  34. I dont think its the its the trap nor the...

    I dont think its the its the trap nor the strainer. both have been replaced 2x over with different types / size and no change
  35. the piping has only been modified after the...

    the piping has only been modified after the problem started. they lowered the steam trap hoping it would help.
    there is no raise in the drain line after the trap all the way to the tank.
    this is...
  36. yes. given enough time, with no new steam...

    yes. given enough time, with no new steam entering the coil and no steam trap to stop it, the water will drain out on its own.
    Again, this is what the operator told me. he does this each morning at...
  37. you may be on to something here. I too looked at...

    you may be on to something here. I too looked at that elbow and wondered if it was the problem. Even up close, I could not really tell if the water had to "climb" out of that elbow or not.
    I think I...
  38. What I was trying to describe was how the drain...

    What I was trying to describe was how the drain line after the trap was not plugged. if you open the hand valve at the trap it does not change a thing. water comes out like you would expect and the...
  39. Am I the only one that looks at the header and...

    Am I the only one that looks at the header and sees it's not meant to be mounted horizontally?
  40. The hand valve to the unit is first closed, then...

    The hand valve to the unit is first closed, then the strainer drain is opened.
    also, that strainer and trap have been replaced a few times. also a larger trap was installed and then lowered.
    All...
  41. As far as I know, the coil was replaced in 2001...

    As far as I know, the coil was replaced in 2001 and again in 2010. I believe after the 2010 coil change, this problem started.
    They tried replacing all the traps and strainers and also lowered the...
  42. I didn't pull the coil out of the unit to inspect...

    I didn't pull the coil out of the unit to inspect it. all I could do is look at it from top and bottom access covers. like i said earlier, it looks just like the coil in the picture
  43. yes you can get one. here is the link to the...

    yes you can get one. here is the link to the manufacture PDF

    http://www.armstronginternational.com/files/common/allproductscatalog/steamcoils.pdf
  44. We tried the higher pressure route. did not help....

    We tried the higher pressure route. did not help. I dont like the idea of butting heads but I dont think the contractor who installed the wrong part should get away with it either. We are a large...
  45. its a air vent

    its a air vent
  46. we got a quote a few years ago to angle the coil....

    we got a quote a few years ago to angle the coil. they wanted 7 grand
  47. We tried adjusting the pressures a bit, did not...

    We tried adjusting the pressures a bit, did not help.
    I got the manufacturers PDF on that type of coil. it says it can be used both horizontal as well as vertical... but in that PDF, the diagram...
  48. Buford, I don't have any info on this coil. I am...

    Buford, I don't have any info on this coil. I am looking into it. I have not tried cracking the strainer slightly. I can only tell you the strainer and trap you see in this picture both were replaced...
  49. I found a picture of what I think is the exact...

    I found a picture of what I think is the exact coil someone installed in our air handler. it sure looks like a vertical install only coil to my untrained eye.
    ...
  50. I think they installed the wrong coil in 2010....

    I think they installed the wrong coil in 2010. maybe this coil was design to be mounted vertically? or maybe was not meant for steam??
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