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  1. Interesting. I might even dig up those old...

    Interesting. I might even dig up those old articles and give them a read.

    However, it is hardly surprising that the retraction and repudiation got very little attention. This sort of thing happens...
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    Even worse, such jobs become the focus of...

    Even worse, such jobs become the focus of uneducated consumer groups and then the manufacturers get blamed.
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    Yes. However, if you were an HVAC pro I don't...

    Yes. However, if you were an HVAC pro I don't believe your ARP posts would affect the approval decision. Else I probably would have been ejected by now. :)
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    Well, that's strange. I had to apply and get...

    Well, that's strange. I had to apply and get reviewed by a committee.

    And, if you back out to the main forum menu and look at the pro section, there is a post there regarding how to apply.
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    Getting to be? *smirk*

    Getting to be?

    *smirk*
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    Yes, and I think my work is done here. That...

    Yes, and I think my work is done here.

    That is, hopefully I've shown young readers exactly what Conspiracy Theories and Theorists are actually all about.
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    Normally I'd agree with this but I think you...

    Normally I'd agree with this but I think you might not know the whole story to say that.



    This is nothing less than willful intent to misinform. Fraud. Especially Kean's book which didn't...
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    Actually I found almost none of these things....

    Actually I found almost none of these things. Instead, I found that Callahan and Kean were lairs.

    Not much use arguing with a person with such obviously handicapped reading skills. I've had to...
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    Correct. Especially when the debate features...

    Correct. Especially when the debate features those who have no problem lying.

    This precedent has been established more than once.
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    Sorry, I know how much value truther types put in...

    Sorry, I know how much value truther types put in youtube videos, but they are a lousy way to show anything. They contain no references or sources, just two people jabbering.

    This is why...
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    I'm not doing the investigative work that you are...

    I'm not doing the investigative work that you are quite obviously too lazy and disinterested to do yourself.

    No thanks.

    If further discussion requires additional links, I will provide them for...
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    Who said it meant nothing? My claim was and still...

    Who said it meant nothing? My claim was and still is that this is anecdotal evidence. Do try to pay attention.

    Oh wait... it's you. What am I saying?
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    Again, YOU were the one arguing that what they...

    Again, YOU were the one arguing that what they said that they saw was reliable. lol

    I just said that I disagreed with some aspects of a debunkers report. Mr. Klass.

    Are even you now making up...
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    You refuse to stay on topic for some reason. What...

    You refuse to stay on topic for some reason. What are you scared of?

    My willingness to publicly debate has ZERO to do with the subject at hand. Is your case so weak that all you have is...
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    Yes, what you get is the whole story. Which you...

    Yes, what you get is the whole story. Which you are not interested in.

    You know what's interesting, Brian? How do I know that you haven't read the documents? Because, there just might be...
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    Lol. The only cover up here is your hands over...

    Lol. The only cover up here is your hands over your own eyes. You haven't attempted to get to the truth here. You still haven't read any document in the archive or anything else. Basically, you are...
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    Lol. Flopping like a fish. How about...

    Lol. Flopping like a fish.

    How about addressing the documents in the archive? Or the ATC transcripts? Here's your chance to debate that stuff just like you want!

    You can't. So you whine about...
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    News for you, the internet is today's...

    News for you, the internet is today's encyclopedia. I also read all of my scientific white papers online.

    Since these works display sources and yours don't, then it is simply a fact that my...
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    Far more. I'd like you to debate topics...

    Far more.

    I'd like you to debate topics without your sources as well. Especially books full of lies.

    But that doesn't really make sense now, does it? Typical for you.

    So, basically, you are...
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    Dammit, I thought that *I* came up with it! ...

    Dammit, I thought that *I* came up with it!

    *Sigh*. I guess it's true.

    There really is nothing new under the sun. :)
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    Quite possible. It's not like there is no...

    Quite possible. It's not like there is no precedent for government sanctioned and controlled misinformation campaigns or conspiracies.

    If you ask me, there is one huge logical flaw to this whole...
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    You know, Brian, I think I ride you a little hard...

    You know, Brian, I think I ride you a little hard sometimes. I don't mean to be so harsh most times, but you are frustrating to deal with.

    Now, I see your posts on these matters and am, frankly,...
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    But you'll believe a single author of a book? lol...

    But you'll believe a single author of a book? lol

    Can you read at ALL? The meeting DID take place. It was John who said that someone at the meeting said 'this meeting never happened and the...
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    No. I never said he was distinguished. However,...

    No. I never said he was distinguished. However, he did discover that 350 document archive AND demonstrated a pattern of stories changing in the archives of a San Francisco newspaper with regards to...
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    You didn't see why in the article? Most...

    You didn't see why in the article?

    Most typical. This is exactly why I say that you are obtuse. YOU JUST READ WHY!

    It appears that no one but John heard that the meeting in question 'never...
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    Right. So sharp that she blatantly ignores...

    Right. So sharp that she blatantly ignores evidence. And then writes a whole book based on her ignorance. Great job!

    It will be interesting to see what you come up with.
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    Right. Along the lines of how conspiracy theories...

    Right. Along the lines of how conspiracy theories work, once the claim is found to be junk, the next step is 'cover up' in every case.

    Unfortunately for you, the FAA has had rules in place to...
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    That's silly. Radar works how radar works. I...

    That's silly. Radar works how radar works.

    I asked for a link because I'm then going to show you how it is woefully incomplete, and ignores VOLUMINOUS data on record up to and including, a second...
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    Ok, give me another weak link and I'll look in to...

    Ok, give me another weak link and I'll look in to it. :)

    My looking in to an incident does not improve the limitations of radar.
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    What I am saying is that radar has no capacity to...

    What I am saying is that radar has no capacity to identify something that might be acting strangely. Instead, people impose what they want or think to be true about something unknown. What people...
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    To me, the question is nonsensical. Some of the...

    To me, the question is nonsensical. Some of the greatest unbelievers in the bible were NOT turned by faith, but rather, personal and direct experience. They saw a resurrected Jesus and had the...
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    In other words, time to whip out the strange and...

    In other words, time to whip out the strange and mysterious ways clause. The answer to all uncomfy questions. :)
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    Well, just you saying a thing does not make it...

    Well, just you saying a thing does not make it so. The scientific method is the same now as it always was. It also has quite a record of accomplishments.
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    Not really. At that point in time the science...

    Not really. At that point in time the science didn't exist that explained why bloated bodies and blood from the mouth were a perfectly natural occurrence.



    I'm saying that facts must be...
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    It only costs $37 to find out the truth. :)

    It only costs $37 to find out the truth. :)
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    The point is that, since you have no standard,...

    The point is that, since you have no standard, you have no way to tell whether a story is the truth or something else simply by listening to it. People believed in vampires because after death gas...
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    No, it never used to be that. It has always been...

    No, it never used to be that. It has always been the same. Science begins with an observation that leads to an inquiry. OBSERVATION: Apples fall to the ground. INQUIRY: Why do apples fall to the...
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    Facts are that which we mutually observe or...

    Facts are that which we mutually observe or experience. I have no need to demonstrate facts to you as you can see them for yourself.
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    At one point point in time, hundreds of thousands...

    At one point point in time, hundreds of thousands would have told you that not only are vampires a fact, but an observed one. Flat out fact.

    Now, does the fact that hundreds of thousands, many of...
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    Thanks. At least someone 'got it'. :) The part...

    Thanks. At least someone 'got it'. :)

    The part that got me was this;



    'It' being the Purple Heart citation.
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    Thanks. At least someone 'got it'. :)

    Thanks. At least someone 'got it'. :)
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    The theory of evolution is about what happened...

    The theory of evolution is about what happened AFTER life got here. How life got here is a whole different thing. If we start life with bacteria of some sort, why does it actually matter HOW it got...
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    It is not a hole in evolution, since evolution...

    It is not a hole in evolution, since evolution would be the same no matter how life got here. The basic premise is that all life today came from a simple form. But it does not matter how that simple...
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    Yes, thank you. That is another good example of...

    Yes, thank you. That is another good example of anecdotal evidence and also confirmation of why we refer to this belief as 'faith'. :)
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    Let me try to take this thing in another...

    Let me try to take this thing in another direction so we're not just spinning our wheels. Try to give you some insight as to why I say and feel certain things about standards.

    In criminal court,...
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    Of course you would becuase you are an obtuse...

    Of course you would becuase you are an obtuse person. You might try replying to what I actually said. lol
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    You're just not getting it. Why would civil...

    You're just not getting it.

    Why would civil court have a different standard that criminal court, Brian? For what reason do we have this system?
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    Well, we're just going in circles here. Your...

    Well, we're just going in circles here. Your evidence is anecdotal. I get that a preponderance of evidence is what just hurt the New England Patriots, but I think we all would have much preferred the...
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    Well, there are some things that cannot be...

    Well, there are some things that cannot be factually quantified. Not everything is a subject of valid scientific inquiry. So, sure, I might marry a woman when facts have nothing to do with it.

    If...
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    Such as? I'm not shifting anything. Tool and I...

    Such as?

    I'm not shifting anything. Tool and I began this sub-discussion by talking about standards.

    Multiple respected people reported seeing molten steel on 9/11. Were they correct, Brian?
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