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    No point in me worrying about it now. When and if...

    No point in me worrying about it now. When and if the time comes to replace it, then I'll get concerned. Perhaps he was talking about a full replacement.
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    Guess I'm not allowed to post numbers. If...

    Guess I'm not allowed to post numbers. If spelling it out is any better,Its not.
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    Why? I don't need a new Control Manager. We were...

    Why? I don't need a new Control Manager. We were talking about the unit and I mentioned the Control Manager was cool and he mentioned what it would cost for a new one.
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    You assume I read that. No, I did not read it, I...

    You assume I read that. No, I did not read it, I was told that's what it would cost by an EK dealer who came for the annual tune-up. Of course he was talking beyond the 5-year warranty. He did not...
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    Interesting that this is your first post. The...

    Interesting that this is your first post. The biggest EK dealer around here installs a SuperVent to help prevent air problems with System 2000. They don't seem to think that little air scoop on the...
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    Updating my own post with new communication from...

    Updating my own post with new communication from EK.

    I have been asked to let the system run for another 4 weeks to allow air problem to resolve itself.

    I was told that usually the air is gone...
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    I don't see how to send you a PM. Try sending me...

    I don't see how to send you a PM. Try sending me a PM. Apparently, I do not have permission to send a PM. If you include your email address in your About Me page, then I could contact you.
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    Some more details: 1. There is a fairly loud...

    Some more details:

    1. There is a fairly loud humming sound when circulator is running regardless of zone. This humming is sometimes heard in my den on a separate zone and regardless of what zone...
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    EK sent a representative and the expansion tank...

    EK sent a representative and the expansion tank was relocated to the return side attached to end of return manifold. The water fill valve was left in place. The EK representative bled the boiler. He...
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    While I am not allowed to post a link to this...

    While I am not allowed to post a link to this post, here is a very similar problem to mine that someone else had with air:

    "I have forced hot water baseboard heating. Had to replace the boiler...
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    We do have hard water, well water, and I have a...

    We do have hard water, well water, and I have a scale stopper before the heat exchanger.

    When the heat exchange plate gets clogged, there is no heat?

    I never watched them the entire time they...
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    What kind of problems did you have with the heat...

    What kind of problems did you have with the heat exchange plate and Manager?

    The circulator going bad sounds strange to me since I had the original one on my old boiler going for 13 years and was...
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    I don't know where the problem is, and I am worn...

    I don't know where the problem is, and I am worn out trying to think of where it might be. Someone, a professional member, said to contact EK and make them aware the problem is not resolved. He...
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    I contacted the manager of company doing service...

    I contacted the manager of company doing service for me, same company that came Friday to install pump, and told him to contact EK and set up an appointment for someone from EK to come down as that...
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    I never timed it, but I imagine about an hour. Do...

    I never timed it, but I imagine about an hour. Do you know how long it would take to Stroudsburg or Tannersville exit on 80?
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    Apparently you missed what I said earlier. The...

    Apparently you missed what I said earlier. The company who installed the Grundfos acknowledges air in the system, which is why they had EK come to my house. The representative from EK acknowledged...
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    There is a loud gulp of water sound at supply...

    There is a loud gulp of water sound at supply pipe in my den when there is a call for heat. This "gulp" can occur on the second pass coming to den as well. After the first or second pass, the gulp...
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    What do you suggest I do? I mentioned cavitation...

    What do you suggest I do? I mentioned cavitation to the tech guys and they say the pump is not creating cavitation. How they know is beyond me, unless they can tell by listening to the pump.

    When...
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    basement and 2 floors above, basement is not...

    basement and 2 floors above, basement is not finished and only for boiler, washer, dryer, etc.

    Static Pressure? Do you mean what is on PSI gauge? If so, it was 15 at idle and 20 running. After he...
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    Grundfos has higher head range than Taco. Speed 2...

    Grundfos has higher head range than Taco. Speed 2 goes to about 17 foot head range. I honestly don;t know how you are comparing these two different pumps. Grundfos has higher head range and Taco has...
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    Let us look at it without check valve. First, why...

    Let us look at it without check valve. First, why should it vary only with Grundfos? Speed 2 is medium and that is where I told you it set. So why bother with speed 1? Now, are you saying the Taco...
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    You can find the chart for UPS 15-58 here:...

    You can find the chart for UPS 15-58 here: http://s3.pexsupply.com/manuals/1249544647674/Grundfos_ups15-58fc_Product_Data.pdf
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    Now look at the UPS 15-58 and tell us what...

    Now look at the UPS 15-58 and tell us what Grundfos does.
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    Where did you get those specs for Grundfos? The...

    Where did you get those specs for Grundfos? The spec sheet I am looking at is quite different. The head range is 0-19 Feet and Flow range is 0-17 U.S. GPM.
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    Why are you saying that? I have already spent...

    Why are you saying that? I have already spent lots of money on suggestions for my boiler--as well as service.

    How do I get this mystical someone to get the job right? You know someone in my area?...
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    That is something I could suggest to the...

    That is something I could suggest to the technician, but not something I want to try myself. You could look at the spec sheet for my Grundfos UPS 15-58 FRC and see what the head spec is, probably...
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    Well, I don't know any of those. Everyone I know...

    Well, I don't know any of those. Everyone I know wants to make a buck. This is the Poconos and making a buck is important because they have to pay the mortgage. Do you want these guys to lose their...
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    Somehow I doubt bleeding the system will be the...

    Somehow I doubt bleeding the system will be the answer. There must be some other reason air remains a problem. Anyway, tomorrow I will contact someone to have the system bled and look things over.
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    The circulator is a Grundfos UPS 15-58 FRC being...

    The circulator is a Grundfos UPS 15-58 FRC being run on medium. I have tried it on Low and that didn't help. Since they installed the new circulator on Friday, there is a fairly loud hum coming from...
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    I am in the Poconos. I did run the heat in all...

    I am in the Poconos.

    I did run the heat in all zones for 45 minutes and there is still plenty air in the system. I didn't use bleeder valves on zones, nor has anyone else.
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    OK, sorry about that, didn't know.

    OK, sorry about that, didn't know.
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    I wouldn't say the problem is only in my den,...

    I wouldn't say the problem is only in my den, also get banging/knocking in other zones. We don't have bleeders in my den, which is a zone all by itself. Originally there were two zones, up and down....
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    By the way, you can read of another guy with very...

    By the way, you can read of another guy with very similar problem with System 2000 in this thread <Removed link to DIY forum>

    This is why I would never recommend System 2000 to anyone. The...
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    We have bleeder valves on baseboard pipes...

    We have bleeder valves on baseboard pipes upstairs that you turn via a screw, and they are on supply and return side--two areas, not every baseboard.

    Downstairs we have them in the main zone but...
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    The representative from EK for my area was over...

    The representative from EK for my area was over the house and saw the installation and all and did not see any problem except for that air trap, which he wasn't sure was even a problem, but he did...
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    Well, I couldn't do that unless after bleeding...

    Well, I couldn't do that unless after bleeding the air problem no longer persisted. One would think proper bleeding should take care of the problem, but I have had this problem so long now that I...
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    I have so much freaking air now it is incredible....

    I have so much freaking air now it is incredible. I ran all three zones for 45 minutes after that tech left and it is worse than before. After the first 2 passes in my den it was quiet, and then...
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    I don't understand what you said.

    I don't understand what you said.
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    I just received an email from the manager and he...

    I just received an email from the manager and he stated:

    "There was no reason to bleed the complete system since the pump was effectively isolated before it was changed."
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    Then why did the first supervisor remove it? I...

    Then why did the first supervisor remove it? I called a supply house and was told leaving it in could /would make it noisier.

    I ran the heat for all zones for 45 minutes straight and while I...
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    Yes, that is for sure, he is the wrong guy, even...

    Yes, that is for sure, he is the wrong guy, even though he is a supervisor. The manual states: 1. Thoroughly clean and flush the system prior to pump installation.

    He did not do that. I sent an...
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    This guy is really hard-headed and you can't tell...

    This guy is really hard-headed and you can't tell him anything. He even insists the motor shaft of Grundfos can be either horizontal or vertical--and he had the manual! I showed him the manual and...
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    How about being noisier? The first guy that...

    How about being noisier? The first guy that installed the Grundfos took out the check valve. Now, I am sure he didn't go through the trouble of taking it out if it did nothing as you say. I called a...
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    The tech guy came and installed the new Grundfos...

    The tech guy came and installed the new Grundfos UPS 15-58 FRC but left in the check valve--this is main circulator for boiler. The first guy who installed the Grundfos took out the check valve. I...
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    I don't think so. There is air in my System 2000...

    I don't think so. There is air in my System 2000 and has been confirmed by local tech and Energy Kinetics representative. Why I hear that fairly loud gulp sound at the supply pipe in my den is beyond...
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    Well, not really winter here yet, some cool days...

    Well, not really winter here yet, some cool days with heat on in the morning for a bit, so I may have to wait longer, maybe a month...maybe two months. And we could have that Energy Kinetics guy come...
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    Doesn't necessarily mean it's good either. ;-) ...

    Doesn't necessarily mean it's good either. ;-)

    They have the new pump and will install it on Friday. Nice to know they are in no hurry to replace the pump. In fact, the tech guy who is installing...
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    I don't have any washing machine sounds. What was...

    I don't have any washing machine sounds. What was sounding like a washing machine?

    I did have a problem with the original expansion tank losing 7 pounds of air, but they replaced it and moved it...
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    What about the pictures I took today? Do they...

    What about the pictures I took today? Do they offer anything further about expansion tank placement?

    The expansion tank is below the boiler in back and will it still be there if connected as you...
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