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    Sometimes the govt. gets it right. They knew the...

    Sometimes the govt. gets it right. They knew the cost was in the HX. so by offering the incentive to cover the HX, it takes away the disparity in cost between the other means to heat and cool a...
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    With loops being on average 30% of the install...

    With loops being on average 30% of the install costs, and the federal rebate being 30%, you are going to have to put more thought than that into a reply......
    Eric
  3. I would champion any form of geo exchange or high...

    I would champion any form of geo exchange or high efficency air to air before I ever looked at putting copper tubing in the ground. This type of exchange is known as DX, and it is a unproven and...
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    Just a quick note. I was talking about the...

    Just a quick note. I was talking about the equipment only being 20% more in cost, not the whole job. I thought that was the OP initial complaint? Or was he talking about the whole job?
    Eric
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    I would add that the pricing is very geo -...

    I would add that the pricing is very geo - centric. Meaning in areas where geo is done as a regular install, not a big upgrade the pricing of the units is about a plus 20% over air to air. In my OA...
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    This was one of my favorite ideas, " the poop...

    This was one of my favorite ideas, " the poop loop " we called it. We gave up on the idea beased on capacity of the tank and falling temps. We never considered water heating as a more reasonable...
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    There is no such thing as the " geo police ". I...

    There is no such thing as the " geo police ". I would claim the credits for the cost of the whole install and not look back. I doubt anyone who ever pulls your fathers shoe box of reciepts for the...
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    My reply was meant as humor as well, lol. I...

    My reply was meant as humor as well, lol. I would love to see a picture of that set up the next time it lands back in your yard. We used a auxilary drill pump, 25hp 3x13 centrifigual plumbed to the...
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    Does the reversitron 169 mean you just reverse...

    Does the reversitron 169 mean you just reverse the hoses??? Thats the way we did it, untill the volume of jobs pushed us into something with a few more refinements.
    Eric
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    Nothing to fear when loooking at the loop. As...

    Nothing to fear when loooking at the loop. As said the diagnosis should go to the gas last. The pressure in the loop will vary with operation, so really there is no set pressure for the loop. The...
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    Commercial or residential? The one I designed...

    Commercial or residential?

    The one I designed and provided directions for is on our website under DIY purge cart. GSC sells one for around 3,500.00 I think. There are other options if this is a...
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    It is all about the economics, and I think you...

    It is all about the economics, and I think you answered your own question. Geothermal is more eco friendly because it's only carbon footprint is the one left by electric generation. If you can...
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    Curt Kinder in n fla. hooks up the discharge on...

    Curt Kinder in n fla. hooks up the discharge on his open loop geo, tweaks the flow to get the temp right, and lets it fly through a commercial snow nozzle he got on e-pay to keep the kids in his hood...
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    Poll: The method you describe is 1 way to do it, but...

    The method you describe is 1 way to do it, but not the only way. I would assume that since we are talking about prints and a bid, it could be DESIGNED for 90% geo with the apropriate manual D. The...
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    Poll: I clicked he other button in the poll. This all...

    I clicked he other button in the poll. This all boils down to the numbers and trade offs. I would advocate sizeing the geo to handl at least 85% of the heating load depending on the cost of...
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    I do not feel that heat transfer would be an...

    I do not feel that heat transfer would be an issue, it is just goop. I would expect it to have the same transfer rate as the concrete we are sealing.

    Technical note: my zone is not Nova...
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    Hi, We use a granular bentonite product that is...

    Hi,
    We use a granular bentonite product that is commonly used in the drilling industry. Benseal is one trade name, 8/25 mesh bentonite is the spec. When mixed with water it creates a watertight...
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    The tax credits will not expire before 2016,...

    The tax credits will not expire before 2016, barring any bankruptcy proceedings by the govt. lol
    Eric
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    This has been discussed add nauseam and it boils...

    This has been discussed add nauseam and it boils down to " a given volume of water, at a given temprature, with no means of reverseing or adjusting the temp, only has a given number of btu's to give....
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    I am going to be the voice of reason and...

    I am going to be the voice of reason and experiance here. If you have the patience and monies to be your own beta tester, and live with the results, go for it. If not the latter, get off the...
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    getting ready to cook for the guys

    Getting ready to cook for the guys for our annual Christmas Party at the shop, waterpirate style. I have an entire Dell Roll aging, and the cooler is full of everyones favorites. No one ever leaves...
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    The bottom line is that the rehau system of...

    The bottom line is that the rehau system of double loops is a good one for a stable, air rotary rock drill. It is not a viable option for mud rotary, given the unstable nature of mud rotary bores...
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    I have peeled that onoin before in regard to my...

    I have peeled that onoin before in regard to my opinion. PM me if you want to hear me rant. I researched the job, and the specs add nauseam, and chose not to bid. That caused the owners engineer...
  24. Thread: EER & SEER

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    Your ground water remains constant, as in a pump...

    Your ground water remains constant, as in a pump and dump. A closed loop does not remain constant. To answer the original question.... I ave had it explained to me a half dozen times and it allways...
  25. The real deal breaker is and allways will be...

    The real deal breaker is and allways will be distribution costs. Currently nat gas is only available in our area to high volume end users. Us peons were deemed unworthy for connection options when...
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