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  1. Pretty reasonable but we have a new home with...

    Pretty reasonable but we have a new home with Anderson windows and foam insulation. We also have a zoned system and 90% of time we only use the middle floor (3 zones - basement, 1st floor, Dormer...
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  3. Wow! That is pretty amazing!

    Wow! That is pretty amazing!
  4. Well thanks to you all for the input. Sounds like...

    Well thanks to you all for the input. Sounds like the consensus is to leave it be.

    What we need is a good government study. Recently I heard about an excellent study that showed that 3 out of 4...
  5. I guess part of my concern is at some point the...

    I guess part of my concern is at some point the heatpump is really extracing very little heat from the surronding air and the heating you are getting is most from the machanical friction of the heat...
  6. The Tstat is a trane XL402, 3heat/2cool. There is...

    The Tstat is a trane XL402, 3heat/2cool. There is no outside sensor. It is a 3 zone system and each stat determinis if stage 2 or Aux heat is required on some algorithum of rate of temp rise to time....
  7. What Temp to shutdown compressor and only use heat strip

    I have a trane XL-16. This winter has been quite cold. My unit has managed to function down to 5 degrees and to the best of my knowledge never switched to the heat strips. I am wonderering if this...
  8. The warranty is long up. The installer put this...

    The warranty is long up. The installer put this in almost 3 years ago. That coupled with the fact that his work was so unsatisfactory I don't want him back.

    I also realized that technically by...
  9. Dunkman, Now that I've dug in a little deeper,...

    Dunkman,

    Now that I've dug in a little deeper, I see what you were referring to. I did not realize that emer heat was considered a stage. You are right, the HZ322 supports either a single stage...
  10. Dunkman, We are only talking about emergency...

    Dunkman,

    We are only talking about emergency heat here, not a 3rd stage. This controller supports 2 stage heating and cooling as well as Aux heat and emergency heat.

    It has inputs and Outputs...
  11. As I explaned on an earlier post the installer...

    As I explaned on an earlier post the installer used 3 relays on the input side of the Zone controller and that is incorrect since it bypasses the controller when Emergency heat is called for....
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    Final followup. The fuse probably blew 3 years...

    Final followup. The fuse probably blew 3 years ago when the unit was first turned onand no one noticed. It is an inline fuse one the hot leg of the OD units transformer. Should have been disconnected...
  13. Don't tell me the installer used the wrong panel...

    Don't tell me the installer used the wrong panel too!!!!

    What is the difference between the 432 and the 322?
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    Thanks for that info. I have found it on the...

    Thanks for that info. I have found it on the internet and downloaded the manual. http://dar.proflo.com/darmanager/Query?PRODUCT_ID=3519664&USE_TYPE=INSTALLATION

    That part is even available on...
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    Would this, the harness, still apply in a Zone...

    Would this, the harness, still apply in a Zone system?
  16. You are correct on that controller. I just talked...

    You are correct on that controller. I just talked with a tech at Honeywell and he said it is definately wired wrong. The way it is now if one "thermostat" is asking for emergency heat its going to...
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    Dunkman Thanks for the suggestion, butI did not...

    Dunkman
    Thanks for the suggestion, butI did not put them together because the 2 questions were not related and it has been my experience when you discuss 2 different issues thing get confused. I do...
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    Well that may be why the fuse blew. It probly...

    Well that may be why the fuse blew. It probly blew 3 years ago and no one noticed until this problem came up and noticed the fuse had popped.

    The orginal installer really had a time making it...
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    Inside unit is a 4TEE3F40B1000AA Outside unit is...

    Inside unit is a 4TEE3F40B1000AA
    Outside unit is a 4TWX6036C1000AA
    Honeywell Zone controller HZ322
    3 Trane XR402 "thermostats" feed the honeywell.

    It is using the 6 wire pigtail to control the...
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    I wish I had the correct answere on that. Don't...

    I wish I had the correct answere on that. Don't know if it is a communicating system or not. There is no place for a readout. There is one green led on the outside unit that is flashing a rapid burst...
  21. I just traced the wiring out today. Each relay...

    I just traced the wiring out today. Each relay coil is connected to each zones thermostat (a traneXR402) W1 output terminal. The relay NO contacts are wired in parallel to each other then to the air...
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    BTW, I believe the Tech questioned why a 24V...

    BTW, I believe the Tech questioned why a 24V transformer outside and one inside. If he disconnected the inside the fuse would not blow and wondered if the orginal installers wired it correctly. My...
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    Trane XL16i - fuse blowing on ouside unit

    I have a Trane XL16i. The outside unit is a 4TWX6036C1000AA. It has a 5 amp ATO fuse in the low voltage control circuit that blew last night. The fan runs, but the compressor won't. The Tech came out...
  24. Trane XL16 with Honeywell HZ322 wiring question

    I have a Trane XL16i in a 3 zone setup using the Honeywell HX322 controller.
    The Trane XL16i uses electric heat strip for Aux/Emer heat. No furnace.

    The orginal installer paralleled 3 relays to...
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    See my reply at post #19

    See my reply at post #19
  26. The problem is finding someone who knows what...

    The problem is finding someone who knows what they are doing. My installer is not one of them. His reply to every problems is basically "its correct, its not a problem".

    I've even had the Trane...
  27. I have a Trane XL16i that I am very dissatisfied...

    I have a Trane XL16i that I am very dissatisfied with too. Super noisy inside and out.
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    Guys, a lot of good information here. Thanks for...

    Guys, a lot of good information here. Thanks for the input.

    As an interesting update. The local TV station ran "sort of" a retraction tonight due to massive callins about their comment last night....
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    You are right about propane being an expensive...

    You are right about propane being an expensive fuel. If I use 20# bottles filled up at the local gas company at $15 a bottle 1,000,000 BTU's will cost me $35 which is more than electric. If I have a...
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    Ventless heaters (which includes gas logs) are...

    Ventless heaters (which includes gas logs) are pretty safe these days. They all incorperate a oxygen depletion sensor that shuts off the gas long before you are in danger. Many now include a carbom...
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    Guys, I'm really enjoying these post! I would say...

    Guys, I'm really enjoying these post! I would say the consensus seems to be leave it running.

    I do seem to see a common thread around varying thoughts on mechanical wear between a continious run...
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    Gary, It runs me about 10.5 cents per...

    Gary,
    It runs me about 10.5 cents per killowwatt.

    It seems like it rarely goes to stage 2. I may get a chance to see in the next few nights. I cheat a little though, I keep the temp at 65 during...
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    When is it too cold to run compressor?

    I live in NE Tennessee. Last night on the news one of the local HVAC companies was recomnending that home owners just turn off the heat pump and run on emergency heat (IE electric strips) since the...
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    Mine is never quiet, even on 1st stage. At my...

    Mine is never quiet, even on 1st stage.

    At my other house I have a Xi14 outside the window of the bedroom and you can't hear it run. This Xi16 on the other hand is noisy on the air handler inside...
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    Saylor, I'm just trying to get a feel for whats...

    Saylor, I'm just trying to get a feel for whats normal in these conditions.
    Frankly I am surprised that the unit was putting out any heat although I suspect it was mostly heat of the compressed...
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    I've thought more about your comment. I feel like...

    I've thought more about your comment. I feel like I am up against a wall. It is a small company and there has only been one technican that has done any work on the controls or refrigerant. He has...
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    Perhaps what you are saying is, they don't really...

    Perhaps what you are saying is, they don't really know what they are doing!? That has been my feeling. The bypass has been moved twice in an attempt to decrease the noise and the last time they went...
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    OK, what you are saying is the thermostat just...

    OK, what you are saying is the thermostat just walls for heat and the controler determines which stage and when.

    I've noticed that there is a delay of several minutes from stage 1 to stage 2 to...
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    I've noticed that. One zone can call for stage 1...

    I've noticed that. One zone can call for stage 1 and another will call for stage 2. However at the moment I have turned off the heat on two of the three zones, so the thermostat and the Honeywell...
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    Mine is a zoned system with Trane XR402...

    Mine is a zoned system with Trane XR402 thermostats. Each one shows what stage it is calling for.

    Good point on the registers, although the ducts are insulated and in a basement and the duct I am...
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    4 degree Temperature rise

    It got real clold last night (1 degree F) and I was getting a 3 or 4 degree rise in temperature from my registers on stage 1.

    Now its 20 degrees F and I am getting a 10 to 11 degee rise on stage...
  42. Jeff, just to further clarify. The return ducts...

    Jeff, just to further clarify. The return ducts are only about 10 feet long. The unit is in the basement directly under the bedroom.
  43. My bad, 423 was the correct number. Technically I...

    My bad, 423 was the correct number. Technically I suspect I should have said the register was 240 sq. in. since it was designed for a 12x20 filter. It still seams too small for 1500 square feet.
    ...
  44. Fantastic! thanks!

    Fantastic! thanks!
  45. You are right on the grill sizes. 2 of the grills...

    You are right on the grill sizes. 2 of the grills in the bedroom are actually 8.5x 11.5 (Opening size) floor registers hence the 195 sq. in.

    The other register in the hall is actually a 12x20...
  46. Appreciate all of the replys. Jeff520 you...

    Appreciate all of the replys.

    Jeff520 you feel that 428 sq ft is OK if I understood you correctly, However I noticed that jwiehagen76 was suggesting about 600 sq in based on the formula of cfm/2...
  47. thanks, how do I find out what the CFM of my unit...

    thanks, how do I find out what the CFM of my unit is?
  48. How much return grill for a 3.5 ton air handler

    I have a Trane XL16i. The outside unit is a 3 ton with a inside air handler of 3.5 tons model #4TEE3F40B1000AA. How much return grill area should this system have? I currently have 423 sq. in.
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    It is my understanding that the inside unit that...

    It is my understanding that the inside unit that goes with the XL16i has its own controller for the fan speed and it can not be overridden.
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    s Trane xl16i correct for zoning?

    Bare with me here, I am tring to explain all as best I can. Its a long post but I need help and I am tring to give all the information I can.

    I am building a house in east Tennessee near Johnson...
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