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    I don't really know what you mean by "Controls...

    I don't really know what you mean by "Controls Tech".

    What is YOUR definition of that job description?

    I am not anti-union. I am in fact a union worker. Who considers myself as a "Controls...
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    If the other fellow can not help you, send me the...

    If the other fellow can not help you, send me the POINT.BOB and POINT.MSG files and I'll send you back the plain text points list. The email I list on this site is current.
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    Oh yeah? Wait until after the big 6 Ohhhh. In my...

    Oh yeah? Wait until after the big 6 Ohhhh. In my 50's, until sometime in my mid-50's, I was still hard charging and nothing much bothered me. Am 63 now, fast closing on 64. I don't know exactly when...
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    Probably even better if one used a deep cycle...

    Probably even better if one used a deep cycle battery
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    True enough about the elevator thing. But as I...

    True enough about the elevator thing. But as I mentioned, I don't always use the cart. Flat impossible in some situations. In which case I make do using whatever other methods are available. Either...
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    Yeah, I've used all that and much more, whatever...

    Yeah, I've used all that and much more, whatever was handy when the need arose. The problem is that if there isn't a big project going on at the time, some of those "make do" materials aren't readily...
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    My solution to that is to tell my phone to NOT...

    My solution to that is to tell my phone to NOT ring for such things.

    My phone rings to inform me of IMPORTANT messages. Which is precisely 2 email addresses, None of which the company for whom I...
  8. I wouldn't expect that you'd be looking for a job...

    I wouldn't expect that you'd be looking for a job for long. Of course I do not know the job market outside my own area, but around here a certified and experienced Jace programmer is in demand by...
  9. Thread: Cylon buys AAM

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    Interesting. It is one of those things I probably...

    Interesting. It is one of those things I probably knew on a subconscious level, but never actually thought about consciously .... the population difference.

    Been up that way a few times, mostly...
  10. Thread: Cylon buys AAM

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    Perhaps? Who knows. I know next to nothing about...

    Perhaps? Who knows. I know next to nothing about Cylon, other than what they have to say on their publicly accessible web pages. Which is DARN LITTLE as concerns hard facts and data.

    That they'd...
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    No problem, and I never expected you to even try...

    No problem, and I never expected you to even try to respond to everything I posted.

    Guy, I just rattle off my thoughts as they occur to me. It's a bad habit, I know. But it is who and what I am,...
  12. Thread: Cylon buys AAM

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    But of course I agree. And that particular...

    But of course I agree.

    And that particular fellow was quite free to mortgage his own home, find his own investors to back him, and so forth so he could concentrate on pursuing his own ideas. Or to...
  13. Thread: Cylon buys AAM

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    I'm kinda old, and long of tooth. But learned a...

    I'm kinda old, and long of tooth. But learned a long time ago to always be cautious about taking EX-employees absolute word about anything as concerns a former employer. Not at all saying they're...
  14. Thread: Cylon buys AAM

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    Huh? I've put in numerous BACnet installations...

    Huh? I've put in numerous BACnet installations using AAM's Native BACnet line of controllers. Now, their first try at it a few years back, they didn't do so well. But they quickly straightened that...
  15. Thread: Cylon buys AAM

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    Who? AAM? While they are certainly a minor player...

    Who? AAM? While they are certainly a minor player in the market, if they're a "dead system" that's sure news to me.
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    I wouldn't have come to the same assumption. As I...

    I wouldn't have come to the same assumption. As I mentioned in another post, while I have not worked with the specific make/model item the OP talks about. I have worked with others of almost exactly...
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    Well, I am no expert on that particular...

    Well, I am no expert on that particular thermostat, which is what it is after all. But I've worked with quite a few that are very similar.

    The items in the sales brochure (which is all that doc...
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    Well, if I were you I'd start with looking at the...

    Well, if I were you I'd start with looking at the manufacturer's suggestions for the control system you are working with. I don't do Honeywell Spyder VAV controllers but a fast Google search came up...
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    I quite understand what you are saying Crab. I...

    I quite understand what you are saying Crab. I assumed that a regular, licensed electrician would be needed. That's the way things work in this state, or ... is supposed to work. (There are certain...
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    Geez, some of you guys make this a whole lot more...

    Geez, some of you guys make this a whole lot more complicated than it need be.

    It's just a friggin $20 transformer. All this thought about methods to mild out the last available watt from each and...
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    As Orion points out, you seem to have answered...

    As Orion points out, you seem to have answered your own question.

    I'd personally not have gone to so much trouble myself. If one of my installers had asked I'd have simply told him to use 2 96va...
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    As Crab Master mentions, kinda hard to help you...

    As Crab Master mentions, kinda hard to help you out with so little information about your system.

    Speed can be an issue. It's not a problem with BacNet (the specification) per say so much as it is...
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    Shouldn't lock up as long as Max Masters is set...

    Shouldn't lock up as long as Max Masters is set to =>21 in all controllers, but especially unit #6. Unit #6 will make the specified number of tries to pass the token to #7. But once that's done,...
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    http://www.hvacc.net/pdf/titus/fanvavappguide.pdf

    http://www.hvacc.net/pdf/titus/fanvavappguide.pdf
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    Yeah, there is that. Fluke's are a bit pricey....

    Yeah, there is that. Fluke's are a bit pricey. But I've got to admit that while I don't do much tough work any more, back when I did, my Fluke's did get a work out.

    Dropped at from up to maybe 20...
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    Kind of a loaded question, isn't it? "if price...

    Kind of a loaded question, isn't it? "if price didn't matter"

    If price was no object, would need a bigger work vehicle, plus a healthy and STRONG hired hand to carry all the stuff. Preferably...
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    Chuckle, not meant meanly. But understand what...

    Chuckle, not meant meanly. But understand what you're trying to say.

    Where I work, the farther we get from the core of folks who actually understand the business we are in, the less profit we are...
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    Okay, I replied here some where. But I guess...

    Okay, I replied here some where. But I guess somewhere I clicked wrong thing? Wasn't allowed to "Go Back"?

    Is okay. There isn't anything I have to say that is that important.

    Just a comment to...
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    Definitely not trying to hammer you, guy. Just...

    Definitely not trying to hammer you, guy. Just trying to refine some information here.

    Okay, not knowing exactly what you're doing, just going by how I interpret what you posted ... You are using...
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    Good post, Sam. I was gonna say something in...

    Good post, Sam.

    I was gonna say something in this thread, but you've pretty much covered the same territory.

    All other issues aside, what I don't think some folks ... with non-electronics...
  31. Thread: AAM bus

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    If you're sorry because my reply was so long and...

    If you're sorry because my reply was so long and hard to read ... don't be. I type (say) wayyyy to much.

    If you're sorry because yah think I was trying to give you a hard time. Don't be, not my...
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    Ummm. Not meaning to criticize too much. But...

    Ummm. Not meaning to criticize too much. But reading what Davem and you are saying ... makes me understand ... for the first time ... why so many folks on this forum have in the past complained about...
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    GUy, I do AAM, as well as some other makes. ...

    GUy, I do AAM, as well as some other makes.

    But I've maintained all along, every since I've been on this site, that it makes MORE difference WHO the contractor is, and how ell they do the job ......
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    Ummm. I have no way of KNOWING the mind of the...

    Ummm. I have no way of KNOWING the mind of the original installer.

    But at a guess ... whoever it was had no clue?

    Didn't bother to read the manuals THOROUGHLY?

    Didn't bother to actually ask...
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    Can not speak about the state or states you're...

    Can not speak about the state or states you're talking about.

    But in MOST states, if you are on site, you are on site. And if your job description is covered by the state regulations, you CAN make...
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    Yep, depends on the rules of the state where you...

    Yep, depends on the rules of the state where you live.

    AND it depends on the employer. Some employers will try to BEND the rules in their favor, in various ways.
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    I'd tend to agree. I know that around here, they...

    I'd tend to agree. I know that around here, they can only claim prevailing wage for hours actually spent on the job site.

    For the company for whom I work, it's kind of a mote point. They're based...
  38. I'm not sure any of us can be 100% sure as to...

    I'm not sure any of us can be 100% sure as to whom BOTH our parents were. The mother? Sure. The genetic father? Maybe.
  39. I understand what you're saying. But most...

    I understand what you're saying. But most controls contractors aren't really thinking about the "next" contractor who is gonna be trying to integrate whatever. Most of them that I know are just...
  40. fisha, may I suggest you're being over sensitive?...

    fisha, may I suggest you're being over sensitive?

    Myself, I have yet to read a post that is bashing you, or ALC.

    As I mentioned before, I know precious little about ALC. Some, not a lot. I...
  41. My post was much too long. And I blame no one for...

    My post was much too long. And I blame no one for not actually reading it.

    MT ... just exactly where did I advocate anything except that customers or their hired consultants educate themselves?
    ...
  42. I don't know that anyone is playing around with...

    I don't know that anyone is playing around with what "Open" really means. I'm not sure that everyone is on the same page as to how each is defining "Open".

    Take, for instance, your mention of...
  43. I'm not in this thread to kick around whether ALC...

    I'm not in this thread to kick around whether ALC is good or not. I've not heard anything bad about them, but don't deal with them either EXCEPT that we've occasionally had to bring in some points...
  44. LOL ... I tend to agree. But sometimes in those...

    LOL ... I tend to agree. But sometimes in those sorts of debates one can learn useful information.

    And sometimes not.
  45. Well, certainly no one can force you to stick...

    Well, certainly no one can force you to stick around, Fisha.

    And it is up to you as to whether or not you decide that reading the threads and posts on this site are worth your time and effort.
    ...
  46. Ummm. So you're saying ALC controllers are not...

    Ummm. So you're saying ALC controllers are not NATIVE BACnet?

    Not trying to slam ALC products. From all I've heard they work well. Just trying to clear up a point, to better understand if I ever...
  47. Carrier Airconditioning & Refrigeration Ltd. 3rd...

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    Hosur Road
    Bangalore, Karnataka India 560-029
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  48. Yeah, I have no idea what sort of 3rd party OWS...

    Yeah, I have no idea what sort of 3rd party OWS you are using. But typically there is not a reason in this world I can think of to delete an object (what you're calling points), that I can think of....
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    Sandsailor, I am not trying to make assumptions....

    Sandsailor, I am not trying to make assumptions. Nor be difficult.

    You mentioned Lon. Then you mentioned "The US Bureau of Reclamation achieves conformity with standards set in the 1950s so that...
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    I am trying to reconcile your answer with what...

    I am trying to reconcile your answer with what ControlsInMt asked. And, I'm sorry, it does not compute.

    In certain ways and aspects, Lon does indeed have some advantages over BACnet. Mostly when...
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