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    Inexplicably, Honeywell also failed to list those...

    Inexplicably, Honeywell also failed to list those earlier patents in their lawsuit.

    A few years ago, I bought one of their round thermostats with an LCD readout to replace an original round with...
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    Not so sure that Honeywell has a good case. Most...

    Not so sure that Honeywell has a good case. Most of their original patents date from the 80s and are long expired. They filed the same patents again without informing the Patent Office of the prior...
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    Seriously? You want me (a non-professional) to...

    Seriously? You want me (a non-professional) to comment on your comments about a device you've never used? You don't like it, don't buy it.

    Personally, I love products that are designed to be user...
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    I did not sign up early and my stat was just...

    I did not sign up early and my stat was just delivered a week ago. However, I'm working 3,000 miles away for at least 6 months so it will be some time before I get to use it.

    I'm mostly interested...
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    Your professional status means you can call me...

    Your professional status means you can call me names? I haven't called you any names.



    That is not an accurate paraphrase. I said humidity control was not important to me for the five days a...
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    Agreed.

    Agreed.
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    I have a two stage 40K Infinity.

    I have a two stage 40K Infinity.
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    Since only a minuscule percentage of homeowners...

    Since only a minuscule percentage of homeowners ever program their stats, they might be right. Or perhaps most stats are so user unfriendly that they never get programmed. Having industry figures...
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    Its interesting how reactionary people get with...

    Its interesting how reactionary people get with new products. You did the same fussing about modulating furnaces, yet the market moved to them anyway. If what you say is true here, perhaps no one...
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    As usual, you prefer personal attacks over...

    As usual, you prefer personal attacks over discussing content. You still haven't said what features I might be giving up.

    I'm perfectly happy with my Infinity furnace. I consider the Infinity...
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    Pretty interesting theory. I wonder why anyone...

    Pretty interesting theory. I wonder why anyone bought Apple products with good ones already on the market.
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    If you read very slowly, you will also see that I...

    If you read very slowly, you will also see that I will use a pro to do that. No need to give me DIY info, I'm not going to use it, nor did I ask.
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    Simulate? It is direct control, just like any...

    Simulate? It is direct control, just like any other two stage thermostat.
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    Why can't you make a profit on it? It has a...

    Why can't you make a profit on it? It has a normal retail margin. They are going to depend heavily on contractors as they sell and install the vast majority of stats.



    Which applies to every...
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    What features are you referring to? I had to...

    What features are you referring to? I had to fight to even get the Infinity Controller over a standard programmable. Frankly, I don't need most "features" such as humidity control for the five days a...
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    http://support.nest.com/customer/portal/articles/2...

    http://support.nest.com/customer/portal/articles/210646-how-does-nest-manage-second-stage-and-auxiliary-heat-
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    I just signed up to reserve one. Sent an email...

    I just signed up to reserve one. Sent an email question to them today on Sunday and they answered it on Sunday! They sure have some dough.

    I have a two-stage Infinity and wanted to make sure it...
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    Set the stat up as new installation.

    Set the stat up as new installation.
  19. Did your old furnace keep you warm? It probably...

    Did your old furnace keep you warm? It probably had an efficiency of around 60 percent. Simple math will show you that you need around 70,000 output. Most likely it was oversized anyway, especially...
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    Do you send emails? Using an iPhone app in this...

    Do you send emails? Using an iPhone app in this context is like sending an email to yourself. But by all means, continue to wear tinfoil. Can't hurt!
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    It is relatively cheap for what it is. The only...

    It is relatively cheap for what it is. The only close competitor is the Ecobee and it costs less than the Ecobee, has more features and is easier to use. It also costs less than proprietary stats...
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    50 million dollars in funding buys a lot of tech!...

    50 million dollars in funding buys a lot of tech! I do remember reading somewhere on the site or in the reviews (would you believe both the New York Times and Forbes have reviewed this?) about...
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    Whole house fans are simply a more efficient type...

    Whole house fans are simply a more efficient type of window fans. An appliance. You can buy the wrong appliance for the application, and install and use it incorrectly. In the right application, for...
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    Well, those are amazing finds. Makes you wonder...

    Well, those are amazing finds. Makes you wonder about those blower door tests, explains why you think you need a humidifier, and clearly your energy costs are inflated (did you suspect that)?
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    I was referring to Comfort versus Efficiency...

    I was referring to Comfort versus Efficiency setting for their effect on the fan speed. As far as I know, that is all they do. For heating, Comfort lowers the fan speed to increase the supply...
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    For both efficiency, and to not have the heat...

    For both efficiency, and to not have the heat exchanger fail, the heat exchanger cannot exceed a certain design temperature. That requires a certain amount of air moving past the heat exchanger per...
  27. Consumers think bigger is better. Installers tend...

    Consumers think bigger is better. Installers tend to agree or go along because they don't want to get calls about being cold after a large capital outlay.

    The reality is that it is not all or...
  28. Working harder with fewer off times is exactly...

    Working harder with fewer off times is exactly the design goal for any compressor based system. My fridge runs 50 percent of the time. That's an easier design exercise than a mini-split of course,...
  29. Thanks for the update. I would have thought that...

    Thanks for the update. I would have thought that the fan running continuously during cooling would be an advantage. Circulating air means you should be able to raise the temperature setting a bit,...
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    Am I missing something? How does how a home is...

    Am I missing something? How does how a home is heated have anything to do with stack effect that can be exacerbated by a PAV? Forced air or radiant, the stack effect should be the same.

    Perhaps...
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    Just a couple of notes. Yes, the 13 percent...

    Just a couple of notes. Yes, the 13 percent leakage refers to dampers. That's expected.

    Your humidity issues are not the result of humidifier failure, but infiltration of outside air. A tight...
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    I didn't read that you have a zoned system. Yes,...

    I didn't read that you have a zoned system. Yes, you are right about the Infinity being able to run at those statics. Doesn't mean it is optimal. What I was referring to was the warning received...
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    The control is saying that 12 gpm is actual? ...

    The control is saying that 12 gpm is actual?

    In the real world, output gpm is determined by the incoming water temp, and your setpoint. The rated spec is always higher. One thing you could try...
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    The RPM is not an estimate on a digitally...

    The RPM is not an estimate on a digitally controlled motor. With a known fan curve and power draw, the controller should have a high degree of accuracy. There can be technique issues with human...
  35. Thanks for the full report. But no, a binary call...

    Thanks for the full report. But no, a binary call for heat is not compatible with "smart" recovery, no matter how smart the stat is. If it doesn't call for the appropriate stage, it cannot meet the...
  36. Can't win an argument fair, so you bail from...

    Can't win an argument fair, so you bail from direct argument and are now reduced to posting snarky comments?

    Sad.
  37. Electric motors are inherently reliable. Lot of...

    Electric motors are inherently reliable. Lot of them dating back well over 50 years still in service. Nothing about a variable speed that improves on longevity, and the more complex electronics would...
  38. Exactly what is taking so long to fully...

    Exactly what is taking so long to fully stabilize? Where is the lost energy going?

    While I don't know what is going on inside my furnace combustion chamber, my tankless has an icon that shows when...
  39. I have to agree that that is hype. Beauty is in...

    I have to agree that that is hype. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, including for Bill.

    If there are not other components to communicate with, what would be the point? Are the fan settings...
  40. I think there may be a misunderstanding there....

    I think there may be a misunderstanding there. The stat is certainly reading the delta, otherwise recovery could not be "smart" and adjust the time required to begin the recovery. Likewise, I have to...
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    Your issue has nothing to do with gas...

    Your issue has nothing to do with gas utilization, rating, or efficiency - if there is an issue there, it is unrelated to setback recovery. Your setback problem is almost certainly thermostat related.
  42. Can you tell us exactly where the efficiency is...

    Can you tell us exactly where the efficiency is lost and a rough estimate of magnitude? It would seem to me that from a furnace only perspective that it could never exceed the amount of heat lost in...
  43. If I read your post correctly, the only thing new...

    If I read your post correctly, the only thing new that the communicating stat adds is "smart" recovery (other than features already listed in the manual). I am having a difficult time understanding...
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    Not possible. Just required ductwork revisions...

    Not possible. Just required ductwork revisions alone could double the cost of a particular job. Flat rate pricing is a great idea, just won't work here.
  45. Carrier has a 10 year warranty on their...

    Carrier has a 10 year warranty on their controller, I would imagine that York will do the same for competitive reasons. I would imagine that inverters for a power supply for the controller with a...
  46. A number of your questions are asking for help...

    A number of your questions are asking for help with hacking their equipment. No responsible manufacturer is going to answer those questions. You are more likely to get your other questions answered...
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    I don't know guys, starting with a heat load is...

    I don't know guys, starting with a heat load is head and shoulders above the average contractor already. Is the heat load done before any commitment? And does the Costco rep doing the heat load...
  48. You didn't post the time that you set for full...

    You didn't post the time that you set for full recovery. If that time was 8 or 8:20, your thermostat may be working fine. The temperature variance you posted before that time would be consistent with...
  49. A "lot" of energy is your emphasis, a "lot" of...

    A "lot" of energy is your emphasis, a "lot" of energy is different for everyone. And no matter the magnitude, it adds up, particularly on a national scale.

    As to "less appropriate today", I...
  50. Actually, he hasn't. Others, including me, have...

    Actually, he hasn't. Others, including me, have said it a number of times and he ignores it. It is self evident that the more energy efficient something is, in this case a structure, the less the...
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