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I am sorry to say that since Cylon bought out and took over AAM, their Website is one of the most confusing and obstructing ones I have ever visited. As I said before, email me.

Unfortunately, I can provide no further contacts. I am only a lowly technician. AAM provides direct support only to certain, registered people. Of which I am not. Too low on the Totem Pole, I would...

You indicated, "Customer can get service from any AAM Si."

If this is true, then an AAM SI can get and provide the items, to the customer, that you are looking for. For a price.

We routinely do...

AAM has talked about the possibility of producing such devices as you mention in one of their conferences. But I have no idea if they're moving forward on that idea or when/if they'll actually market...

Well, if the installations are not having significant issues and are performing well enough to satisfy the customers, then I certainly wouldn't spend extra time refining things, either.

Where I...

Some general thoughts, observations, and experiences.

Frequency of poll for master ...

There seems to be some variation in this. And it is done by ANY master device (not just the FRONT END...

No problem. When two individuals communicate together for the first time, there are bound to be misunderstandings. Unless their backgrounds and past experiences are exactly the same (unlikely).
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My apologies, if I came off like that to you. It was certainly not my intention to try to prove I was superior. Heck, the thought never even crossed my mind.

I had/have no way of knowing how...

You are quite right, BTL Listed does not mean Perfection (to you, however you define that).

BACnet protocol standards, are standards but are also flexible in many ways.

For instance, using your...

You mention BACnet capable (as in being able to talk IAW BACnet network standards) and BTL listed, as if those were the same things.

Neither is even close to the other.

I do not deal with...

Well, you don't ask much do you?

This was a job that was probably near a decade ago. Too many jobs since then for me to remember. At least a few hundred.

I remember the customer, name...

I would guess that you are talking about the "Device Object" ID's specifically.

Yeah, this sort of thing is a pain, as others have already commented. There is no dictated standard for how a...

Nothing wrong with that. I, on the other hand, started out as a farmer's kid, then a produce manager for a grocery, then decided I wanted to see if I could get into computers. Saw an advertisement...

Not surprising, given that the 1st form of known BASIC was written in 1963, in the time when large sized room main frames were king.

In the 1980's, when affordable personal computers were 1st...

I would not know, off the top of my head, what type of training classes are available to you.

When speaking about the people in the company for whom I work, I refer to a variety. Many...

Still trying to wrap my mind around that. I've seen a LOT of single zone systems set up with space temp as the measured variable, which are working just fine. Likely, that's how your home is...

I quite understand the job can be frustrating sometimes, especially when a field guy has to deal with mistakes an engineer made. In my case, dealing with our in-house controls engineers, there are...

Yep, I use a VB compatible programming language regularly (the exact one I use ceased to be developed 15 years ago, but still works fine on everything from Win 98 to Win 10). Use it to create various...

Well, when speaking about engineers, they come in a wide range of backgrounds, education, and experience. A title of "Engineer", alone does not tell you a lot. Where I work, in the controls division...

Of course it is desirable for new techs to understand how HVAC and electrical/electronic systems work. At least to some extent. A grasp of the fundamentals, at least.

The original guy I responded...

Back in the day? How old is the controller that's controlling the AHU? What type of controller is it? Etc. These are the first questions that pop up in my mind.

The type of controller would be...

Controls in the case of this site, refers to building automation related subjects. But generically "controls" refers to a pretty wide range of specialties and applications. For instance the company...

Kind hard to know which way to go, isn't it?

You know the results of the study, but what you don't know is the root causes of the issues. Are the existing controls unable to perform their...

Yeah, I am still around.

Thanks to you all for your nice comments. But I assure you that many of you are appreciated by me as much, if not more, than the vice versa.

And I learn more on this...

We haven't seen it yet. But you are probably correct.

We don't leave things with default passwords and such.

As concerns outside access into the systems, we mostly leave that to our customers....

Thanks. As to the idea of teaching on the side, we'll see. I've taught before. During my 23 years in the Navy, did a 3 year tour as an Instructor at the Naval School of Engineering (shipboard...

Ive read this entire thread only to arrive at confusion.

I do have some comments.

1. We routinely collect trend data once per 5 to 15 minutes. Depending on importance. In most cases, as...

I suppose the same will happen as it did the last time I was a member of a union and quit that job as well as that particular union. Before joining the current union of which I am a member. Since I'd...

The whole problem with these kinds of discussions. Too many make "blanket assumptions" about the others.

For the record, I am Union. I've also worked non-Union previously.

But I am a Union...

LOL ... I am sure you can.

But it'd be worth neither of our time, nor is it actually worthwhile and seems to be quickly sidetracking this whole thread. Have a good day, I myself have to get out...

What I meant to say was that since the AspectFT system IS different, utilizes different libraries and methods, while a hacker may well get into the system and be able to change set points and such,...

Of course I misspoke. Or more accurately, typed without thinking.

You are both correct.

The speed difference is quite noticeable, but nothing to get real excited about. Not a deal breaker by...

Yep, They factor those things in. The hardware and software costs are lower. The labor costs are higher due to the lack of readily available, long time tried and true debugged routines ready in an...

Ahhh, it would have helped if I'd known who you were responding to. Could have looked up what WHOEVER had actually said.




Hmmmm. Reasonable. But I can't find the link.

The thing is that...

Orion242, it helps if you use the "Reply With Quote" so that the server shows whose response you are responding to. Otherwise those of us out here in never-never land have to guess. I just "Reply...

If one doesn't need anything else than what you already have, then there is no reason to install a Jace.

We have some customers, with limited needs, who only want one, or a few, local LCD panels...

Well, I'm certainly no expert on the subject. While I do work with Niagara Framework devices, I an not a specialist in the area. Others, who are specialists, do the initial setups and configuration,...

Just re-read my own post and see that it may come off as my seemingly trying to brag. It was poorly made.

At no time did I ever work, or serve, some place where I did not have people around me who...

1. Born and raised as a WAY in the back hills son of a poor farmer. (Think Hill Billy. We didn't get the place electrified until I was 9)

2. Favorite books and stories were divided between...

Tim, I know how the PUP protocol works. Even made a translator for an RS-485 sniffer which breaks it down to plain English.

But, realistically, consider this.

AAM's own AspectFT system handles...

I don't really know what you mean by "Controls Tech".

What is YOUR definition of that job description?

I am not anti-union. I am in fact a union worker. Who considers myself as a "Controls...

If the other fellow can not help you, send me the POINT.BOB and POINT.MSG files and I'll send you back the plain text points list. The email I list on this site is current.

Oh yeah? Wait until after the big 6 Ohhhh. In my 50's, until sometime in my mid-50's, I was still hard charging and nothing much bothered me. Am 63 now, fast closing on 64. I don't know exactly when...

Probably even better if one used a deep cycle battery

True enough about the elevator thing. But as I mentioned, I don't always use the cart. Flat impossible in some situations. In which case I make do using whatever other methods are available. Either...

Yeah, I've used all that and much more, whatever was handy when the need arose. The problem is that if there isn't a big project going on at the time, some of those "make do" materials aren't readily...

My solution to that is to tell my phone to NOT ring for such things.

My phone rings to inform me of IMPORTANT messages. Which is precisely 2 email addresses, None of which the company for whom I...

I wouldn't expect that you'd be looking for a job for long. Of course I do not know the job market outside my own area, but around here a certified and experienced Jace programmer is in demand by...

Interesting. It is one of those things I probably knew on a subconscious level, but never actually thought about consciously .... the population difference.

Been up that way a few times, mostly...

Perhaps? Who knows. I know next to nothing about Cylon, other than what they have to say on their publicly accessible web pages. Which is DARN LITTLE as concerns hard facts and data.

That they'd...