Unemployment; are people really this stupid?

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Originally Posted by pageyjim

That is a false analogy.

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No it isn't, but you are.

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Originally Posted by pageyjim

Repeat that a million times over a period of years and it might be accepted as fact.

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I believe it, so it must be a fact.

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Originally Posted by geerair

Way lowered?

So why weren't you whining about government's way lowered number during the Bush years?

The Obama administration is using the exact same methodology as the Bush administration used to determine unemployment figures.

In fact, had anyone even hinted that unemployment was actually much higher during the Bush years, you would have flown into a hissy while accusing that person of being unpatriotic and demanding that they be imprisioned for sedition.






Where did you come up with this? In the example cited in the article, the person just wanted her job back.

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And here's another fan of fractured history looking to convolute the discussion with more hindsight instead of talking about what is happening now.

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Originally Posted by RoBoTeq

Nope! You are wrong about what you think jmac is wrong about.

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facts don't concern him, thats what makes him the poster child for Dummycratic socialism

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Originally Posted by geerair

These funds went towards various programs including tax credits for you, education, infrastructure, energy tax credit program (which has been a significant boost for the HVAC industry) medical care and institutional upgrades, not to mention a 1 to 3.4 per cent boost in GNP.

Hell boy, Bush pissed away that much in Iraq and the meter is still running on that fiasco.

If you are seriously interested in how the stimulus money was allocated, there are detailed answers on the net. Pennsylvania maintains a website that details stimulus spending even down to the municipal and individual level.

Of course, your interest seems to be confined to incessantly crying on an internet forum "where did the money go"?



Oh dear, we knew it was just a matter of time before the Robo paranoia made it's debut.

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Useless, untrue drivel.

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Originally Posted by geerair

Curious how this statistic was not mentioned during the Bush years.

I expect it must only be applicable to Democrat presidents.

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What is your problem with only being able to look at the past? No matter what anyone posts, all you do is contradict them or divert the conversation to some inuendo concerning the past.

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Originally Posted by printer2

Will society decide to pay enough for an American to do a job rather than a Mexican wage for the low paying jobs? Will minimum wage pay enough for people to make it to the end of the month? And will they be able to put enough aside so if their employer decides to hang it up they can make it through till they get another job?

Part of the reasons the low wage earners do not pay any tax is because the government realizes they do not earn enough that they can squeeze their pound of flesh out of them. Because of it we take the hit.

The government subsidizes low paying jobs with our tax dollars. We could cut them out but that would mean we would have to pay more directly for our burger, or newspaper delivery, fruit and vegetables...

Maybe we should look at how society really works and rather than tinker with it fix it right.

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It is the nature of the beast and has been proven time and time again that anything government gets involved in is going to cost more. There are just too many ways for corruption to run rampant when government entities have control.

We need to get the government out of all of our regular business, stop funneling so much money into the government, let private industry that screws up fail and get the money being wasted by the government back into the private sector.

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Originally Posted by RoBoTeq

It is the nature of the beast and has been proven time and time again that anything government gets involved in is going to cost more. There are just too many ways for corruption to run rampant when government entities have control.

We need to get the government out of all of our regular business, stop funneling so much money into the government, let private industry that screws up fail and get the money being wasted by the government back into the private sector.

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Fair enough. But how do we do it without riots in the streets? How do we go from reducing the subsidies (tax breaks the poor get from the government) employers rely on to get cheap labor? And would you give up your tax break you get for the interest on your mortgage? Or the tax breaks married people get? And child tax breaks? How would we start?

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Originally Posted by RoBoTeq

It is the nature of the beast and has been proven time and time again that anything government gets involved in is going to cost more. There are just too many ways for corruption to run rampant when government entities have control.

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The federal government administers Medicare at about 2% where private industry does it for 14%. Social Security is also about 2% and private industry would never do it for that amount. There are just too many ways for corruption to run rampant when private entities have control. Private industry will manage to do it for more while paying people less. We lose both ways.

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Originally Posted by printer2

Fair enough. But how do we do it without riots in the streets? How do we go from reducing the subsidies (tax breaks the poor get from the government) employers rely on to get cheap labor? And would you give up your tax break you get for the interest on your mortgage? Or the tax breaks married people get? And child tax breaks? How would we start?

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Tax breaks are always offset with taxation somewhere else that ultimately means more money from us in higher costs from those being taxed. The bottom line is that there is only so much money available overall and all money does better in the private sector.

How to start is indeed tricky. Yes, stop the tax incentives immediately along with cutting out nonproductive subsidies such as the entire NEA program and subsidies for all of these industries that have labor unions. If these companies cannot succeed because of the cost of labor, either let them fix their labor issue or go under.

Most of that 814 billion dollars that government got to spend went to bolstering entities that have been the cause of our problems in the first place. We just spent 814 billion dollars to support labor unions, banks and insurance companies; all who have failed miserably to conduct business in a productive way. And, despite all of the money given to these entities, every one of them laid off massive amount of workers in order to continue allowing the top dogs to make their massive amounts of money.

Obama comes in to power with the image of the saviour of the average Joe and all he has done is to put money into the hands of all of those wealthy folks who have helped him get elected and other wealthy folks he wants to be beholding to him in the future.

So, despite the claims of being for the average American, Obama has taken massive amounts of money from the average citizen and given it to the most wealthy who do not contribute to our economy.

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Originally Posted by pageyjim

The federal government administers Medicare at about 2% where private industry does it for 14%. Social Security is also about 2% and private industry would never do it for that amount. There are just too many ways for corruption to run rampant when private entities have control. Private industry will manage to do it for more while paying people less. We lose both ways.

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There is no way that government can ever do anything as well or as inexpensively as private sector can do. If private sector is not able to run a program for less cost then the government can, it is because the government is either creating the higher costs or the private sector is more corrupt then the government, which cannot occur without the government helping the private sector be that corrupt.

There is no way you can defend government doing anything better or more economically then private sector as long as the government keeps its nose out of it.

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Originally Posted by RoBoTeq

There is no way that government can ever do anything as well or as inexpensively as private sector can do. If private sector is not able to run a program for less cost then the government can, it is because the government is either creating the higher costs or the private sector is more corrupt then the government, which cannot occur without the government helping the private sector be that corrupt.

There is no way you can defend government doing anything better or more economically then private sector as long as the government keeps its nose out of it.

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That might be true if we still had slavery, no child labor laws etc. Other than that I gave you examples.

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Originally Posted by RoBoTeq

And here's another fan of fractured history looking to convolute the discussion with more hindsight instead of talking about what is happening now.

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What's happening now is your whining about Obama following the same methodology as your boy Bush.

So unpatriotic of you.