I hate to pop your bubble but I think Brian has some credibility here....he just has a weird way of saying it.
What he's saying is that although permits are legal in Cali....it's almost like they are illegal because the sheriffs are so biased as to who they give them to. That claim is backed up by Gibs.
That doesn't nullify the fact that California has a concealed carry law.
Brian's point is that CCW is illegal because sheriffs don't issue many permits because they're afraid of political fallout.
Now, we've got a sheriff or two in California that are allowing concealed carry and Brian wished to marginalize them because they don't fit his view of how things should be.
How about you go see if you can get a CCW... Be an interesting exercise for you... I GUARANTEE you will learn a bunch about govt you did not know if you step up and get involved.
But since you mention something being "weird", what is really weird is "i before e, except after c".....weird, huh?
I live in Los Angeles County CA and have gone through the processes for this.
California LTC are state licenses, issued by Sheriffs and some police chiefs. The concealed versions (almost all of them) are valid, in general, throughout the state. The open-carry versions (almost none are issued) are valid only in the county where issued.
to get a concealed LTC permit, you must live in or own a business in the county which is going to issue you your LTC.
The deal is, they're "May issue" Countys, but there is a slim to none chance that they will issue you a concealed LTC permit... unless you are a Judge, Politician, or famous.
If you want to walk around LA county with a concealed pistol, you're gonna have to live so far out in the sticks to get the permit to do so, that it wont even matter to you anymore.
I said that a CCW permit in California might as well be illegal because nobody can get one. Citing that a small rural county in Northern California issues them doesn’t impress me much. Do you know how big CA is?
The fact still remains that less than one tenth of one percent of Californians can get a CCW permit. For the rest of us it is flat out illegal. So if you want to continue to spread the word that CA is a may issue state, go ahead. We know better.
You stated that you doubted that a permit issued by a "gun-nut sheriff" would be legal to carry next door to you in a more civilized county.
I was simply pointing out the fact that you're wrong.
Hopefully, as the hysteria over Newtown dies down, by the tome this thread stops, I'll be able to find some ammo for sale again
To Brian's point about CCW being "illegal" in California...
It isn't EASY to obtain a permit to carry in Ca. In fact, in some places it might be downright impossible to exercise your second amendment rights in that state.
This is political theatre, put on by politically motivated sheriffs and police chiefs to ensure their re-election in a largely anti-gun state. The "gun-nut sheriff" has figured out that HIS county is more pro-gun than the rest of the state and, therefore has started to issue permits as his constituency wishes. Again, all with the motivation of being re-elected.
Now, this doesn't mean that concealed carry is illegal in CA. It means that concealed carry without a permit is illegal. That is also the case in MOST states in this country. I think that Vermont is the only state that allows carry, both open and concealed with no permits required.
In PA, I can carry a firearm openly without a permit, but as soon as I close the door of my truck, that firearm is considered by law to be concealed and illegal without a permit.
I can transport my guns in Texas without a permit