I just read an article on Japan and gun control. It is true they ban guns and only had something like 9 murders due to gunshot wounds. They had 12 murders with scissors as the murder weapon. This proves any object can be used to kill people if someone is determined to kill. It's not guns that kill, it's people that do the killing
I'm still waiting to hear if Brian turned in his people killing machine, the Ruger 10/22...
Panama... concealed carry permitted...got to register your gun.....but you can buy them freely...and of course carry them.
Murder rate the same as Brazil.....
If you research Panama... its a pretty safe country to live in.....as long as you are not along the border with Columbia....
Pretty lax gun laws..... but still a very high murder rate.... guess its because panama has a canal and places with canals are easier to protect than say columbia which is right next door or brazil that is a few doors down....
Colombia by the way has some fairly lax gun laws especially compared to brazil......yet there murder rate is significantly higher.
It looks to me like there are other factors involved besides the populations rights to own a gun...... corrupt governments, poverty, etc...... drug cartels running apesh*t over the country.
Of course Im just an ignorant southern boy.... but at least I can hit the broad side of a barn......lol
I had a guy at a one of those cheap travelling carnivals tell me one time that when they got so far North...think it was ohio and up... that for their balloon busting and target games that they had to switch from 22 pump rifles using 22 short ammo to special 410 shotguns with reduced loads.....so the northern folk could hit the targets.... cost them a little more but it keeps the shooting games in use up north...
I asked him if the ever bent the sights or the barrels on the 410s like they do on 22s somethimes and he said it wasnt neccesary as even with the shotguns the northern guys still missed enough to keep the games profitable.
We can look at specific cities ie, Los Angeles, in 2001 the Total LE disposition was 109,790, it peaked in in 2007 at 133,405 and has been declining to 103,429 in 2010. Will it go back up??
Lets look at Long Beach: 2001 total disposition was 25,860. it peaked in 2007 at 28,406 and in 2010 it was 23,195.
so basically crime in Mexifornia is fairly stable despite severe economic issues
Now lets talk about the Magazine capacity issue:
even if we (Law abiding) firearms owners turn in our Magazines, just how many AR mag's are on the market. Before answering, remember magazines can be purchased by ANYONE over the internet and at Brick& mortar stores. A month ago I could have purchased a 10 PACK of 30 round mags for about 60 bucks. So lets just say every AR owner has 10 mags per firearm, there is an estimated 2 million Ar style firearms sold from 2001-2010 (the only data I could find, I would suggest there is a significantly more since then) that puts the number of mags at around 20 million. Again I would suggest there is a significantly more, like close to 60 or 70+ million mags on the market.
So how would magazine capacity effect the bad guys? Seung-Hui Cho had two hand guns, a Walther P22 and a Glock 19 (9mm) he had three ten round mags for the P22 and 19 ten round mags for the glock. it took him 2 hours to shoot 32 people with about 170 rounds. How would a 7 round count effected the out come? Round count only effects the good guys...right? how does restricting my round count effect someone like Cho???
Here's a hint; we aren't that stupid.
Your 10/22 is a deadly assault weapon. You should be ashamed for even ever considering owning such an awful weapon.
Maybe the legalization of pot caused part of the drop in crime rates by removing a manufactured crime?
I haven't given a huge amount of study to California because I have no plans to travel to or live there.
In short, I don't care much what California does. That's the beauty of our system. Cali does their thing, PA does our thing and we get to pick which system we prefer.
You are ill-informed about the proposed legislation and are arguing points that don't even exist.
The 10/22 is an assault rifle. Specifically named as such in the proposed legislation. Not 10/22 with long mags. Not a 10/22 with a pistol grip. Not a 10/22 with a folding stock.
A 10/22. ANY 10/22.
I still have two 25 round banana clips for my Ruger 10-22, but I do miss my old 50 round rotary drum....as much of a pain as it was, and as badly it heated the barrel, it was just too cool to rapid fire at multiple targets.
A 10/22 is on my "must buy" list right now, along with a nice heap of high cap magazines.
Maybe Brian will sell me his, cheap, since it's a dangerous "assault weapon". I wouldn't want anyone to hurt themselves....... :whistle: