Dude, we stock motor starters.....what size would you like? :whistle:
We also stock 600 amp fuses. Want some?
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freemind, you have worked very little to speak of in this trade...by your own admission. Yet, you're already convinced that we're all pricks out to get the best of you.
My opinions are based on 3 decades' experience in the trade....as an employee, a partner, and a sole proprietor. I've had some good employees, some good partners, and some not so good employees.
I AM slow to fire. I don't fire anyone in a fit of anger/frustration. I try to correct/teach. When I finally get enough, I document carefully, then cut you loose. When I'm upset is not the time to worry about your job....it's when I get bewwy, bewwy kwiet......that something's about to happen.
There are plenty of job-hopping malcontents out there. There are guys in our area that have worked for multiple companies over and over again. Some of these guys have worked at the same place 3 times over.
When a guy changes jobs every 1.5 to 2 years, it can't be that every employer is a jerk.....because many of those same employers have guys who have been with them for going on 2 decades.....
Hey, you are RIGHT John. I haven't worked in the HVAC trade. I have however, worked in agriculture AND the welding/fabrication trade. Bosses are bosses, and workers are workers. It doesn't MATTER the trade. People are just people, right?
I have two and a half decades of working for other people. I am not without some life experience myself.
While I AGREE there are job hopping undesireables out there, you can't seem to agree with ME. Agree that there are a plenty of employers that ARE out to screw over the very people that make them money. Wouldn't you agree that it is very difficult to come to some common ground when you only want to see things from one side? Instead of the WHOLE picture?
Look, you pinned me as some jerk who only thinks of myself. I don't. I think about the boss's need to make money too. Shouldn't the question of HOW the boss makes money come down to IF he has to screw someone to do it, or WHO he has to screw over to get it? Why does anyone need to be screwed over?
Over my life, I have been screwed by many employers. Not ALL of them, but MOST of them. Tell you one thing, and do another. I prefer HONESTY. I am sure an employer seeks the same.
Proving yourself. Isn't that what the apprenticeship is about. Little by little I learn more, I get paid more.
If later I change workplaces. I get paid the going rate. I get given small simple work, gradually moving up to more complex work. Proving myself. If I don't measure up, I'm gone.
I dont do side jobs cause I like to spend time with my family and a few bucks here and there are no going to impact my fiances but under the union contract we are allowed to do side work using our own vehicles,tools and material.
Non-union commercial companies place a great deal of pressure on their employees to sell something or find something wrong in every PM even if the equipment was new, in a union shop we dont deal directly with management, we have a service manager or union steward and he is also a fellow union brother.
I can tell you from having been on both sides of the fence that this statement is from nothing other than how you want to see things, and made as a general observation about any company - union or not - is nothing but a bald-faced lie. We do not work on commission at all because I feel that it fosters a culture of dishonesty for some folks, so I just won't do it, period. And whether we're union or non-union doesn't make a dimes worth of difference in that respect. Want to get fired in a hurry? Come to work for us and let me find out that you sold a customer something they didn't need simply for the sake of making money. There are companies out there that will do just that, but I resent the fact that you would roll everyone other than those really honest, never-do-anything-unethical union companies into the same group. The fact that you would do that shows the futility of a discussion of this sort.
Go back to the first part of this thread and read my first post in answer to your original question. That's discussion. Everything else that you've come up with in this thread, as in others, is nothing but belly-aching drivel, which is why you are so obviously unhappy and will always be the underdog in your own mind. As I said - go start your own and lets see how you do things since you apparently know all the answers. That's where the proof will be, and that goes for anyone else with the same attitude that you have.
As far as making a mistake and forgetting something - there's only two kinds of people in the world, those that make mistakes and liars. If you want to tell me that you never forget anything, then you're far to good a man to be talking to the lowly likes of me.
If I wanted to belittle you, I can assure you that it wouldn't be a weak attempt. You've handed out too much ammunition for that to happen. And no, the last thing I have is little mans syndrome (talk about a weak attempt to shift focus)......
Typical boss talk.... I am screwing you blah blah balh.
If you cannot put on paper that I would receive the promised raise within one month and satisfactorily "proving" myself I would find my own way to the door. You wouldn't need to worry about hiring me, you competition would.
I have seen way too many employers promise that big raise after a "proving" period, problem is that the proving period often times turns into months where you end up busting your ass while the boss rakes in the profits of your hard work.
Everything gets put on paper when I get hired, if you don't, see ya later. Plenty of HVAC contractors out there.