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Originally Posted by doughvacr I read your post about taking a higher paying job over an apprentice program. I'm a new guy considering an apprentice program with ua and your post help me put it into prospective. That's great good luck. That program is tough but worth it. Don't get discouraged and rember money will come with time
I read your post about taking a higher paying job over an apprentice program. I'm a new guy considering an apprentice program with ua and your post help me put it into prospective.
[QUOTE=doughvacr;14709421]As a new guy trying to find more about union apprentice, your story will go a long way with.[/QUOTE i dont understand this post
That's last post is for cavalieri85.
As a new guy trying to find more about union apprentice, your story will go a long way with.
Am I understanding correctly, you work for JCSS? Non-Union? You must be a BAS Tech then.
Originally Posted by qwerty hvac What are you in the check? My total compensation with time off paid and retirement bennies is a little over $52. And I don't have to pay for the BA's car and all his other perks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Originally Posted by qwerty hvac When I was union it did dry up. And guess what those Health benefits were gone in six months. If it happened to you how long would they last? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Couldn't help but notice that you answered two questions with one question....
Originally Posted by qwerty hvac You worked for Johnson Controls? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD been there done that, I probably see you eating donuts at united shooting the breeze with the ABC guys.
Originally Posted by qwerty hvac You worked for Johnson Controls? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD I did.... Does that make me "special"? Hated every minute I was there.... They bought the company I worked for for ten years... I did not go to them.
I am vested and they will last as long as I pay my dues. I am in a somewhat rare situation though.... We have not experienced a slow down in ANY form for the last 10 years, not one day.... All I am trying to point out is that you can't get something for nothing. Not trying to throw gas on your trash can fire...
Originally Posted by GT Jets Not necessarily "good guys" on all counts.... Often see crappy mechanics with good "people skills" make over scale and also sometimes guys bring an account with them, making them more valuable... "Good guys" is too general a term for me.... GT I couldn't argue with that but is not a union thing the other side does it too.
Originally Posted by valdelocc Well, I never said I make more than anyone else. I can tell you that I was non union for most of my tenure and as a matter of fact I was employed by your current employer many moons ago. I'm deep into whats going on, union and non, I know you got some personal issues with the union and thats fine. You worked for Johnson Controls? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Originally Posted by qwerty hvac Not grinding anything but you are saying you make more then anyone else and it is simply not true. That is my beef. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Well, I never said I make more than anyone else. I can tell you that I was non union for most of my tenure and as a matter of fact I was employed by your current employer many moons ago. I'm deep into whats going on, union and non, I know you got some personal issues with the union and thats fine.
Originally Posted by GT Jets Health insurance? What if your job dried up tomorrow? Would you be able to duplicate this same opportunity elsewhere? Just innocent questions. Grind away. Not necessarily "good guys" on all counts.... Often see crappy mechanics with good "people skills" make over scale and also sometimes guys bring an account with them, making them more valuable... "Good guys" is too general a term for me.... GT When I was union it did dry up. And guess what those Health benefits were gone in six months. If it happened to you how long would they last? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Originally Posted by valdelocc the union scale is $31.08 "in the envelope", that figure is the very minimum, good guys make more. The union is not perfect, I understand you have an axe to grind. One more thing. What are you dues out of that 31.08? And what are your monthly dues? You have to figure those as a loss. You do deduct these from your taxes don't you? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Originally Posted by qwerty hvac What are you in the check? My total compensation with time off paid and retirement bennies is a little over $52. And I don't have to pay for the BA's car and all his other perks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Health insurance? What if your job dried up tomorrow? Would you be able to duplicate this same opportunity elsewhere? Just innocent questions. Grind away. Originally Posted by valdelocc the union scale is $31.08 "in the envelope", that figure is the very minimum, good guys make more. The union is not perfect, I understand you have an axe to grind. Not necessarily "good guys" on all counts.... Often see crappy mechanics with good "people skills" make over scale and also sometimes guys bring an account with them, making them more valuable... "Good guys" is too general a term for me.... GT
Originally Posted by valdelocc the union scale is $31.08 "in the envelope", that figure is the very minimum, good guys make more. The union is not perfect, I understand you have an axe to grind. So all the rest of that money goes to your bennies. I like to have control over that. I don't like other people investing my money. That is my personal choice. To many pensions are at critical status and I don't think they will be paying as we'll as everyone hopes when they retire. I know they are guaranteed by the government but when has the government come through on a guarantee? Just something to think about. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Originally Posted by valdelocc the union scale is $31.08 "in the envelope", that figure is the very minimum, good guys make more. The union is not perfect, I understand you have an axe to grind. Not grinding anything but you are saying you make more then anyone else and it is simply not true. That is my beef. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Non-National companies can sign the NSMA if they're part of the Mechanical Svc. Contractors, which is a division of the MCAA. There's fees for the shop to be part of the MSC. Companies like Emcor, Hussmann, McQuay and Trane can sign this agreement for individual branches. National companies like Carrier, Honeywell, Johnson Controls, and Siemens have their own Agreements.
Never heard of the NSMA (National Service Maintenance Agreement). It appears that they use local UA contractors that are part of the MCAA (Mechanical Contractors Association of America), correct? So, is the employee a member of the NSMA or is the NSMA an agreement between the MCAA and the UA for training and labor? Or is it something for the big companies to have 1 set of rules nationwide? I only spent about 10 minutes digging up some info on this...
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