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If you're doing light commercial Air Conditioning, ask for 65%-75% of HVACR Jm equivalent. If you're doing commercial Refrigeration, ask for 70%-80% of HVACR Jm. If you're doing Chillers, ask for HVACR Jm equivalent. If you're working for less (so what if it's non-Union), you're selling yourself short.

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

I think $48/Hr. for HVACR Jm is more like it, in NYC.

well i mean just becoming journyman yea if you have more than 5 years experience A guys make more

Originally Posted by raven22

55,000-65,000 how is this competitive lol union journeyman service tech makes 36.00 hour thats 75,000 a year not including benefits good luck with finding a good tech for 25.00 hour in ny doing commercial work

I think $48/Hr. for HVACR Jm is more like it, in NYC.

55,000-65,000 how is this competitive lol union journeyman service tech makes 36.00 hour thats 75,000 a year not including benefits good luck with finding a good tech for 25.00 hour in ny doing commercial work

hope to hear a response from the original poster on your findings.

After careful consideration, this position wouldn't be competative, pay wise, to a Union company in the Boston area, as an Sm 1 (80% of Jm) would do about $77K/Yr. & an Sm 2 would do even higher. Not that bad for CT & RI tho.

My card says "BTJ Pipefitter Refrigeration" a.k.a. RefrigerationFitter, even tho I've never been on a construction site or worked on a team under a BT Foreman! I've always been Union under the National agreements (MES), Honeywell, Carrier & York/Johnson Controls. I only know about the Local Albuquerque agreement from reading it, not from working under it. We'd only revert to it for Jm scale & things like holiday designations, on-call pay and tools provisions.

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

Does the Local Union is your area refer to HVACR Repair & Maintenance Service as MES? .

nope.

my ticket says, Refrigeration mechanic. local 516

we don't have those 'classes'

everybody in our local, are expected to be able to work from fractional to 200+ Ton chillers.

Originally Posted by indy2000

thanx, Mechanically Inclined.

makes sense, now.

Does the Local Union is your area refer to HVACR Repair & Maintenance Service as MES? Or are you familiar w/any one of the National agreements? Local Union terminology can be very confusing, some might call you a Building Trades RefrigerationFitter Jm even tho you may never worked on a construction site! Some might call you an A Card. Some might call you an R1. Some might call you an MES Jm even tho you're not under any National agreement.

thanx, Mechanically Inclined.

makes sense, now.

Originally Posted by indy2000

so to get this straight.

mechanical equipment serviceman

AND

mechanical equipment journeyman

are two DIFFERENT entities?

the job listed by the OP is for serviceman which is similar to an apprentice to a journeyman?

so the poster is looking for an apprentice with 5years experience, hence the low pay?

I looked over the agreement, am I missing something here?

Sorry to OP but I think this needs clarification.

Yes, MES Serviceman & MES Journeyman are two different things. MES Sm is a non chiller mechanic, usually light commercial AC &/or commercial refrigeration. An MES Jm is a chiller mechanic, both as per the National agreements. Honeywell for example is know to pay non chiller mechanics, Jm wages. Carrier & Johnson Controls have gotten away from doing this. They're the ones w/the most Sm & Tm (MES Tradesmen) in the field.
This company is non-Union, so they can designate however they want. If you look at the posting it states AC up to 50 tons, which is light commercial. So to compare this position to a Union HVACR (Local or MES) Jm, & to Jm wages is comparing apples to oranges.
There's non-Union companies that do expect chiller mechanics to work for Sm equivalent. SMH. Source offered that to me. Thanks but no thanks.

so to get this straight.

mechanical equipment serviceman

AND

mechanical equipment journeyman

are two DIFFERENT entities?

the job listed by the OP is for serviceman which is similar to an apprentice to a journeyman?

so the poster is looking for an apprentice with 5years experience, hence the low pay?

I looked over the agreement, am I missing something here?

Sorry to OP but I think this needs clarification.

MES, under any type of National agreement, can "lock" guys into Tradesman 1, 2, 3 and Serviceman 1 & 2 which are equal to scaling Apprentices, in pay, but these positions have no advancement. You may not even qualify for Local training, if the company you work for isn't contributing to the Local training fund.
This non-Union job might be competitive to what a Serviceman makes. Read the listing, it's not like they're asking for a chiller mechanic for $65K. Comparing this job, considering the duties listed, is along the lines of a Tradesman 3 or Serviceman. Apples to apples.

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

Some of these Union HVACR Tradesmen & Servicemen that aren't advancing due to the MES limitations might be interested. This position is for Light Commercial Unitary service correct?

What do you mean by MES limitations.

That is correct

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

Some of these Union HVACR Tradesmen & Servicemen that aren't advancing due to the MES limitations might be interested. This position is for Light Commercial Unitary service correct?

Originally Posted by mr-kool

Compensation is based upon experience, but for the journeyman position we have open would be in the range of 50-65k

thank you.

IMHO I don't see that as competitive, compared to locals in the area you serve.

thanx again and good luck.

Some of these Union HVACR Tradesmen & Servicemen that aren't advancing due to the MES limitations might be interested. This position is for Light Commercial Unitary service correct?

No we are non-union, but we are very competitive in compensation and benefits.

Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined

"journeyman". Are you a Union company?

I happen to know Mr-Kool personally so i implore anyone meeting those qualifications to contact him.

"journeyman". Are you a Union company?