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Good thread, What do I bring to the table ? 1) A love of the trade which drives me to learn as much as I can from it. 2) Attributes such including integrity, honesty, trustworthiness, self discipline, solid work ethic, analytical skills, mechanical aptitude, good communication. 3) An understanding that I represent the company at all times and its my job to leave customers with a great impression and experience. 4) Teamwork, I'm happy to work with others and pitch in to help whenever I can. 5) Hire me and it only gets better! My questions for employer: 1) What qualifications do your technicians have? 2) Training and further education opportunities? What, when and where? 3) What reasons...other than money and great benefits should convince me to work for the company? I have a lot of other questions but money and vacation days aren't the primary focus of my job interview. I want to glean as much info about the company as I can BEFORE I start. Answers which made me run a mile at my recent interviews... 1) What qualifications do your technicians have? a) Uhh, they just work under my licence and epa licence. b) 30 years experience, they don't need pieces of paper... You get the idea.
Originally Posted by Chris_Worthington Can honestly say I do not wax I'd go broke buying wax...
Originally Posted by freemind No need for a bible discussion. You brought religion into the discussion. I will say a few parting thoughts though. I am NOT the "master" in my home. HE is. I am however, the head of the household. My boss is NOT my master at work. HE is my master. Enough of the bible talk for me. What a shame. I thought for a moment you had understanding.
Originally Posted by freemind Perhaps you would like a discussion of waxing those offending hairs? Can honestly say I do not wax
Originally Posted by Chris_Worthington At least it has not gone to the trimming of other hairs Perhaps you would like a discussion of waxing those offending hairs?
Originally Posted by timebuilder I have. When you are at work, the boss is your master. You serve others at his behest. When you go home, you are supposed to be the master of your home. Not much chance of that in this world, today. Would you like to have a Bible discussion? No need for a bible discussion. You brought religion into the discussion. I will say a few parting thoughts though. I am NOT the "master" in my home. HE is. I am however, the head of the household. My boss is NOT my master at work. HE is my master. Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. Galatians 1:10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. Enough of the bible talk for me.
Originally Posted by knave let's talk about beards hey? I have one, I keep it short and shave around it every morning. 3 times a week I cut it short again and give it some shape. So far I just let the trimmings go down the sink drain... At least it has not gone to the trimming of other hairs
awesome... beard talk in Jobs forum Originally Posted by freemind More trouble, IMO. When you shave, you just sahve clean, and your done. With a beard, it takes alot of going back over to make sure you don't have a hair or three still sticking out. let's talk about beards hey? I have one, I keep it short and shave around it every morning. 3 times a week I cut it short again and give it some shape. So far I just let the trimmings go down the sink drain...
awesome... beard talk in Jobs forum
Originally Posted by John Markl I think you've struck a real key point here. The guys who love what they're doing usually wind up the most successful. The guys who are just there because somebody told them they could make good munny doing HVAC work are in for a bumpy and disappointing ride. That's a BIG Amen!!!!
Most beard guys know, that it's as much trouble to keep a beard looking good, as it is to just rake it all off every morning More trouble, IMO. When you shave, you just sahve clean, and your done. With a beard, it takes alot of going back over to make sure you don't have a hair or three still sticking out.
Originally Posted by freemind I know what it takes to be a good employee. P.S. read the bible and tell me what it says about serving two masters. I have. When you are at work, the boss is your master. You serve others at his behest. When you go home, you are supposed to be the master of your home. Not much chance of that in this world, today. Would you like to have a Bible discussion?
Originally Posted by joemach To those that try to get away with the minimum that they can or feel that the company owes them something other than what was agreed to, I have more fun at work than you will ever have on your days off. Good one!
Originally Posted by joemach I have more fun at work than you will ever have on your days off. I think you've struck a real key point here. The guys who love what they're doing usually wind up the most successful. The guys who are just there because somebody told them they could make good munny doing HVAC work are in for a bumpy and disappointing ride.
Originally Posted by timebuilder I'm not getting that characterization from John. IMHO, what is good for a good company is ultimately good for the employee. Because, what is not good for the company is DEFINITELY not good for the employee. That dynamic was never true on a plantation. You're not just hired to be an employee. You are hired to be the best employee you can possibly be. The Bible talks about having a servant attitude. Not a "slave" attitude, but one of intentional positive service to the person for whom you are providing service. That includes the customer AND the employer. Does that make sense to you? I know what it takes to be a good employee. P.S. read the bible and tell me what it says about serving two masters.
Originally Posted by freemind I would be at the shop at 7:40. Ready at 7:55 I shower everyday. How about you? I also have a beard, so no, I am not shaved. Yep, every morning first thing....and maybe even that evening if it was a rough day. Got a beard going myself these days. But there is a difference between groomed facial hair, and just looking shaggy from not bothering to shave. Most beard guys know, that it's as much trouble to keep a beard looking good, as it is to just rake it all off every morning
Originally Posted by John Markl Let's start with some simple stuff...... Work starts at 8:00 am, sharp. What time do you arrive at the shop? Are you ready to commence work at 8, or do you just roll in the door at 7:58:30? Did you bathe, shave, and shower this morning? I would be at the shop at 7:40. Ready at 7:55 I shower everyday. How about you? I also have a beard, so no, I am not shaved.
I think it really comes down to a matter of personal pride. I have to feel good at the end of the day that I did the best that I could. I was productive not only for the company, but for myself. I have worked with people who only give as much (or little) as they have to to get by and keep their job. They are not fun to work with. To me work is supposed to be fun and rewarding. They might be the ones that get promoted. Doesn't matter to me. I know in my heart of hearts that I was the one that was holding the area together and getting the production out. And that feels good. I have worked union jobs where I was told to slow down because I was getting too much done and then everyone would be expected to do that much work. I had to explain to them that I only have one pace and do not know how to slow down. Eventually they shut up when they realized that they could not intimidate me to slow my pace down. "Sorry if I put you out of work because I got too much done and you didn't." To sum it up I always have the feeling that I am working for myself no matter who signs my paycheck. I will always try to do more than I did yesterday and do better than the day before. That is just the way that I am. I have no reason to change. To those that try to get away with the minimum that they can or feel that the company owes them something other than what was agreed to, I have more fun at work than you will ever have on your days off.
Hey John Originally Posted by John Markl You can shower without bathing We all did it in PE class, remember...? How can we keep track of you if you keep changing avatars?
Hey John
Originally Posted by freemind Do YOU as a business owner, ask yourself this? A business owner CERTAINLY wants to know what is in it for THEM. How about your customers? I bet THEY too want to know what is in it for them! Somehow though, they guy doing the work can't ask the same thing..... WHY? Never working for more, never asking whats in it for me, and staying at the same job we had in high school DEFINITELY leads to nowhere. You make it sound as though the people working for you (read doing most all of the work) should never seek to do anything but make someone ELSE money and a comfortable living. I am not implying that a guy shouldn't do his best, or give an honest days work for the pay. But on a small level I do agree with the anology that you CAN work yourself out of a job in some circumstances. Though I am convinced that you don't think that the employer-employee relationship is a business deal. A free market verbal contract. You seem to exhibit some "plantation owner" mentality. That because you employ someone, you own them and they owe you the world. That they should cut off a hand, if it pleases you. I'm not getting that characterization from John. IMHO, what is good for a good company is ultimately good for the employee. Because, what is not good for the company is DEFINITELY not good for the employee. That dynamic was never true on a plantation. You're not just hired to be an employee. You are hired to be the best employee you can possibly be. The Bible talks about having a servant attitude. Not a "slave" attitude, but one of intentional positive service to the person for whom you are providing service. That includes the customer AND the employer. Does that make sense to you?
Originally Posted by hvaclogic Gee John, you require your employees to bathe and shower each morning? Would a potential employee have a chance if he only showered? lol jk! You can shower without bathing We all did it in PE class, remember...?
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