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Originally posted by workhorse
Editor, thank for replying to our complaints. I believe most of us have been patient, very patient. But there comes a time that patience wears out and action is needed. I hope in the coming days, not weeks, some sort of action is taken.

Lusker, once again thank you for looking out for our interests.

Shane

I was going to point you towards the barn ya old horse.

Editor, thank for replying to our complaints. I believe most of us have been patient, very patient. But there comes a time that patience wears out and action is needed. I hope in the coming days, not weeks, some sort of action is taken.

Lusker, once again thank you for looking out for our interests.

Shane

Ok gang -- I have been reading your complaints and have been forwarding them to our IT folk. It seems like we always take 1 step forward and 2 backward and I'm just as frustrated by this as you are.

Here's the deal -- Our advertisers are sending this Flash stuff despite us telling them that it causes problems with older browsers. I will once again forward this message to them. I believe every version of every browser can read animated GIF files and I'm proposing to our advertisiers that they use that instead of flash.

Now having said that -- you should all know that Microsoft is moving past I.E. and will not support older versions themselves. They are supposedly coming out with a new browser (if they haven't already) and I.E. will eventually go the way of the dinosaur. As that happens, everyone will need to upgrade. There is nothing I or Penton can do about that.

The best solution is Firefox. Whether on a Mac or a PC, it is the browser of choice.

Penton will continue to support I.E as long as it is practical and then, like the rest of the world, they won't.

Now regarding the other issues -- many of the fixes are underway. Please remember that we inherited this software version of vBulletin and it is the oldest version out there. It's not a snap to migrate to the new software (I believe it's version 4.5) and we don't want to break the site anymore than it is right now. Once we migrate, we have more control because our IT folks are more familiar with the newer version. They are not well versed in version 1.1. So yes, we're struggling a bit here and we appreciate your comments and patience.

Also -- to our moderators -- they are doing the best they can with the situation and we all owe them a great big note of appreciation for all the hard work they do.

It will get better. Maybe not as quickly as I would like, but it will. I promise.

ok i edited out most of it

Swampy

I agree it is long past time that our site should be 100%. Starting crap about it will not help anything but give the troublemakers something to do.

I don't like what is going on any less than you or the other guys. I did have a talk with "the editor" Mike. I gave him a list of the priorities and emphasized their importance.

Although there is nothing I can do except take it to them, they need to respond with only fixes. Dealing with the largest corporation that has owned this site and other large corporations that I have personally worked for reminded me of one thing. It takes time to remove an IT group from one job in progress and pull them to another.

I am not making excuses, re-read above. In my opinion they have had plenty of time to exercise our site of the demons. Calling for you guys to have more patience is mute. I feel the same way. It is time all things were fixed and running smoothly.

In protest, email Mike using the "contact us" link below and share your feelings directly to him. Give him beneficial feedback and act civil. He too is frustrated.

thx

~L~

the members here deserve better.

[Edited by swampfox on 07-31-2006 at 10:29 AM]

I'm sorry to say that this time I agree. The powers to be, not the Mods or Assoc., should be addressing this problem.

I've been a member since '03 and always recieved notification to my primary e-mail address. No I have to go to another account to get my notifications? That's bull, why should I have to go through hoops for the servers problems? I shouldn't and neither should anyone else. I stick to this site because I am loyal and do enjoy the company of most other members but it is a pain in the arse when you have to jump hoops to be on this site.

The Editor, Jay, please address this problem or atleast address us and let us know what you and your company intends to do or not to do. Is the following not your opening statement on your main website:
Welcome to the Web home of Penton Media. We're driven by a passion for creating the most respected, value-rich publications, trade shows and conferences, and online media available anywhere. Everything we do centers on building community in the markets that we serve.You need to remove that last line to make it more accurate.

[Edited by workhorse on 07-30-2006 at 05:32 PM]

You would think someone like The Editor would reply to this
thread with, we're working on it, or get over it.

Originally posted by swampfox
I prefer to be refered to as swampfox, thank you

sorry about the big pic

Sorry, LK did have a picture posted till he edited his post. His name just stuck in my head.

DING DING DING We have a winner! GF is correct as much as people out here will say do this do that get rid of IE blah blah blah, the vast majority out there will keep using IE and just move on to another site for their knowledge. They don't have time or the inclination to mess around

Think like cars, a few of us trick out cars change em modify em crank em up tinker with them etc. The over whelming majority of the public just drive the cars thats it they buy em and drive em might add some floor mats but they just gas em and go.

If penton media ignores this then they must not be as smart as they think they are when it comes to serving their customers. It will be their downfall in the end. No one has patience for web sites that don't load or are slow to load we just move on to the next

Originally posted by Jultzya

Originally posted by benncool
Wow. this thread is bigger than my computer can handle.

That's because LK didn't resize his photo.

I prefer to be refered to as swampfox, thank you

sorry about the big pic

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[Edited by l•k on 07-29-2006 at 02:24 PM]

Originally posted by gonefishing
The problem needs to be addressed, in order to ensure all
visiting H-Talk have a pleasant experience while browsing
the forum. Not everyone wanting to come here is as smart
as the guys who are not having any problems, and may not
wish to download a new browser. There is nothing wrong with
IE. Some people prefer one brand over another.

If a browser restricts new members from signing up, or
existing members from posting, this is not a good thing.

Everything you stated in your post is accurate.

I quote the most important items:

1.) Members that don't know how to get around the site's technical problems.

2.) Members that can't sign up properly.

I'm one of those members that don’t want to download yet another Internet browser... the technical team needs to correct the problems that create issues with IE (likely the most popular browser used by the general public).

Jules,

Although everyone will tell you IE is junk, get FireFox,
and mine is working fine,..........The problem lies with
the server. The top banner contains html to refresh the
flash image each time it loads. Below are two links to the
images the computer tries to access and load with each
visit.

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/800/14845.../ads/Creatives

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/800/14845.../ads/Creatives

Sometimes if you hit refresh on your browser it will force
the image to load. I just purchased a new computer, geek
squad clean and start, all new software etc. My browser
does the same thing you are experiencing. It also does the
same thing at all three work computers at the office.

The problem needs to be addressed, in order to ensure all
visiting H-Talk have a pleasant experience while browsing
the forum. Not everyone wanting to come here is as smart
as the guys who are not having any problems, and may not
wish to download a new browser. There is nothing wrong with
IE. Some people prefer one brand over another.

If a browser restricts new members from signing up, or
existing members from posting, this is not a good thing.


Later.............GF

Originally posted by l•k

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Originally posted by benncool
Wow. this thread is bigger than my computer can handle.

That's because LK didn't resize his photo.

Wow. this thread is bigger than my computer can handle.

I haven't had any problems with it locking up or anything. I use aol and have all the normal blockers and such. The ads run along the side which I normally don't see due to screen sizing and the banner on top isn't even noticed anymore. The only problem I had was the e-mail notification in which helped me fix with gmail. Even though that is a pain in the arse, i log into my aol account and then I have to log into an extra email account.

There's ads on this site?