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Sounds like your boss is captain of a sinking ship, when you leave you can take comfort knowing that he will likely be asking you for a job in the near future. These little companies that are horribly managed don't last more than a few years, they do alot of bad work, piss many customers off, ruin the ozone layer and drag the industry down in their short lifespan. Sounds like pretty much any company would be better to work for.

I read all 8 pages of this thread. My advice, first and foremost never-ever go back to work with this guy. One traffic stop could ruin your life, do not take the chance of that happening. Second go to a technical school. You said you worked retail, go back to that while you are in school. The hours will be more flexible and work better for classes and studies. You are young and have plenty of time. I can just about guaranty a tech school diploma (with a good GPA and exit exam scores) will land you a job. It will also raise the ceiling on you career. Do this now while you are young and do not have as many financial or family obligations.

This is advice from someone that just finished a tech school diploma program. Took my last test on a Wednesday and started my job the next day.

Originally Posted by Newguy1989

I live in culpeper but I drive a hour to his house,we mainly work in dc.My family wants me to quit but im not a quitter,keep the advice coming guys.

Go get a real job for a real company.

It doesnt make you a quitter to leave a situation like the one you are in. This guy is a POS.....and if you continue working for him and picking up bad habits you will end up the same way.

How hard is anything really? I mean, for most of the guys at Normandy it was their first day on the job.

Be a man and make things happen.

newguy..
everyones first experience led them to where they are now .. and unfortunately yours sounds dead end..
this guy forgot where he came from and doesn't remember what its like to try and learn .. when i get a new guy under me .. i hand him a saddle and i ride him.. hhaha .. but i always answer his questions .. try to teach and ride him some more.. especially by the end of week2 he doesnt get his own tools.. my first bosses where animals .. quite the jerks too.. but they handed me tools and said get in the hole.. you wont learn anything without being sent in frontline especially if this idiot is burned out before he even gets on the job.. he probably has a hard time remembering any of his own stuff..
get some books .. get a newjob .. go for you epa .. and dont pay attention to anything this guy says ..
a strong work ethic will take you anywhere you wanna go.

Lots of GOSSIP at the supply house / wholesalers as well.

At 1 today , young guy was bad mouthing a person he worked with to 1 of the countermen , guy was a DRUNK , missed work ecte.

Sad thing was I have known this person for over 40 years , he never had a drink in his life and has the best work ethics you culd ask for.

shake the beers before you pack them he is a lo life...don't let it go to far its not a good way to start..shops need to be positive enviorments no matter what level you are in...lay lo and pull the plug when something comes up....check out www.thebluebook.com for your area..... next time in the supply house ask the counter guy about the boss...they'll know

Yes, Bro. You have to think about it. Would you let someone DRUNK AND HIGH come and work on your equipment? You might want to get out of that situation as soon as possible, cause if you get caught up oin his drug charges, you won't be able to get money for school. Not an expert, but weigh your options. A lot can change in a little time!

So, this owner is the contractor that all the rest of the hardworking, honest ones in this industry don't like because of the damage they do to the perception of the industry as a whole.

Quit now. The Bible says it best:

Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits."

I Corinthians 15:33

I hire character and train skill. Other, good contractors will do the same. Present your character to a prospective employer, and be honest about your lack of experience. A good one will appreciate your honesty and hire you...

Just like you present your character when searching for a job, be sure to look for character from prospective employers... If they talk about customers like they are stupid, give the old "wink wink, nudge nudge" about skirting established practices then don't work for him. A contractor who does not respect his customers, or established business practice will not respect his employees either, because truthfully he does not respect his own business or else he would not engage in that behavior.

Blessings on your job search...

It is becoming an item on resumes to mention that you gurantee you pass any substance abuse test. Big medicine these days. Employers hate investing time in a candidate only to have them flunk a drug test.

No matter how important you think you are, there is someone coming up that will replace you eventually. If you live long enough it is going to happen. Why not make a few friends and leave a legacy. It is a nice legacy indeed to have a couple good men remember you as the one that helped them be what they are. Much better than being remembered as the miserable old grouch.

Originally Posted by beenthere

I don't think he was referring to people in the trade.

The trade has a reputation for dishonesty. Are politicians, salesmen, auto mechanics,etc...generally good people also? What world would you be living in?
How many here are honest when posting online, but make it their daily trade to lie, exaggerate or otherwise deceive not only the customer but the boss and think it no problem....
See I exaggerated myself in my previous post. Most are not crackheads, but most probly engage inthe use of some drug or drink to excess...i.e.are drunks.
There fore someone who is clean is at a great advantage.

You can learn much more than tech school training by working with an experienced pro who is willing to teach you. Most are not, fear of the hotshot taking their job.

There are alot of bad people to work for. You will find a good job. Gluck with school!

Originally Posted by Newguy1989

Does anyone know anything about myplumber? I got a call from them today any word on them?

I'm enrolling in community college while working,went after work to speak with a career counselor and she said it was the best bet.

That's great news to hear that you enrolled in college. Good Luck.

I am not firmilar with myplumber.

You mention that this company doesn't recover refrigerant. If they are blatant about it, I'm surprised somebody hasn't turned them in for the $10,000 bounty the EPA offers once the person committing the violation has been convicted.

Under the latest revision of Section 608 of the Clean Air Act, your company could be fined $12,500 per day per violation, and if you are a certified technician and involved, you would likely lose your certification and could, as an individual be subject to a fine also. Likely not the maximum, but there have been cases where the technician has also been fined a less amount.

Admittedly, this rule was originally designed to fine large companies that exceed the leak repair rule on their equipment used in manufacturing processes, but it has been applied to HVAC service companies and others such as apartment complexes.

Jim Johnson

Learn from yesterday....Live for today....Look forward to tomorrow

I Know I'm Green

You mention that this company doesn't recover refrigerant. If they are blatant about it, I'm surprised somebody hasn't turned them in for the $10,000 bounty the EPA offers once the person committing the violation has been convicted.

Under the latest revision of Section 608 of the Clean Air Act, your company could be fined $12,500 per day per violation, and if you are a certified technician and involved, you would likely lose your certification and could, as an individual be subject to a fine also. Likely not the maximum, but there have been cases where the technician has also been fined a less amount.

Admittedly, this rule was originally designed to fine large companies that exceed the leak repair rule on their equipment used in manufacturing processes, but it has been applied to HVAC service companies and others such as apartment complexes.

Jim Johnson

Learn from yesterday....Live for today....Look forward to tomorrow

Does anyone know anything about myplumber? I got a call from them today any word on them?

I'm enrolling in community college while working,went after work to speak with a career counselor and she said it was the best bet.

Originally Posted by Tremaine

I understand what you are saying but, why are you catagorizing all school kids or college graduates in the HVAC/R Field as being not of having much worth? It all depends on the individual school or not!

I guess that's why they call it a school. All in the school are like a school of fish. All thinking a like. All wanting to survive.

Then there is one fish not in the school. Out there swimming by himself. Doesn't mean he isn't a good fish. Doesn't mean he isn't a good swimmer.

Someone looking at the lone fish might think, "hmmmmm, that fish out there by himself might not make it. I think I'll put my money on one of the fish in the school."

Awesome statement!!!

I understand what you are saying but, why are you catagorizing all school kids or college graduates in the HVAC/R Field as being not of having much worth? It all depends on the individual school or not!