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Barty, We are a bunch of workaholics here in the USA, we feel guilty if we take vecation time and we dont know what to do with ourselves when on vecation. Somebody has to support all the welfare takers or else they will scream opression and burn down are cities. Its a catche 22.

Cheers!

bunch of cheap bastards there.

Originally posted by gha
We were thinking of moving to Scotland a while back and I found a company and emailed them about their HVAC design department. I got told that with the courses I took here, over there I'd be called an Engineer. Stay there 2 years, I come back here and I could call myself an Engineer. We decided it best to stay put and have me open up my own shop and see where it goes from there.
I look forward to the day when hubby feels he's ready to tell the boss to shove it and come over to the dark side. LOL

WE misuse the term frequently. A guy who fixes your car is a mechanic a guy who fixes your telephone, air con, is an engineer a guy who fixes your plumbing is a plumber but a guy who fixes your bolier is a heating engineer (and it could be the same person!!)


Although deciding NOT to move to Scotland is called a 'no brainer' !!

Cheers

Richard

Originally posted by hvacpope
if I'm not mistaken, in the UK they call the janitors engineers, they are weird up there, must be a british thing.

No actually we call 'janitors' 'caretakers' ;-)

Cheers

Richard

We were thinking of moving to Scotland a while back and I found a company and emailed them about their HVAC design department. I got told that with the courses I took here, over there I'd be called an Engineer. Stay there 2 years, I come back here and I could call myself an Engineer. We decided it best to stay put and have me open up my own shop and see where it goes from there.
I look forward to the day when hubby feels he's ready to tell the boss to shove it and come over to the dark side. LOL

if I'm not mistaken, in the UK they call the janitors engineers, they are weird up there, must be a british thing.

Backatcha Barty,

Thanks for the apology. Very much appreciated.I apologize also for having been defensive.

We're cool

Let your mind roll on...

In the USA an Engineer is an official title given to someone with a Batchelor of science degree in engineering.
Mechanical,electrical,civil,chemical,software etc...
According to websters dictionary its anyone trained in engineering ,using scientific and mathmatical principles for practical applications.

An Engineer in the HVACR field would be a Mechanical Engineer.So if you post a job ad for an HVACR Engineer, you would expect to get applications from Mechanical Engineers,more white collar but not full suit.50-100k to start plus whatever else he needs.
A Mech. Engineer would design and layout the equipment. An HVACR Mech. would install, service,repair, and sometimes reengineer the equipment.This is where the term (engineer) is more loosely used. Such as an in house engineering Dept. for a multi complex of buildings like malls or a high rise. Where in you would have several different trades working out of one Dept ie HVAC,plumbing,electrical,carpentry,...but none of them are actual engineers with a degree but everything they do takes a degree of engineering.

So its off the charts cool to be able to converse with you from the UK.

This HVAC Talk is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take it easy

Jeffer

Originally posted by 2cold4u
Barty, got one for you, I'm self employed and can do what the hell I want.

yes but you don't get paid for it though do you!!

Cheers

richard

Originally posted by oneacman
Ok Barty
So I was fishing earlier and I caught a big one! A skilled engineer from the UK. Well I dont know how business, taxes, benefits,and pay scale goes over there but here in Florida for a skilled HVACR Mechanic,not a skilled Engineer, working for a small company, thats a great package to start. After that show me what you can do. We are increasing our vacation and paid time off because thats the feed back Im getting, not just from you. Thats reasonable,the bigger you get the easier it is for men to take time off, including me I hope. Im here to make an offer, learn and improve, not to get beat up and put down.
You know who I am because I posted the job ad you been knocking.
So tell us about the benefits, bonuses,and pay scale in the UK so we'll know how bad were suffering in the Good Ol USA.

Long live the Queen!!

Cheers yourself

[Edited by oneacman on 01-27-2006 at 06:38 AM]

I love Florida and would have willingly lived there esp the Gulf coast or Keys. My uncle lived for many years in palm Harbour and my dad would spend 6 months in St Pete's up till he died so this isn't and anti American thread.


However as I'm quite dumb I didn't know it was you/your job and I understand the pressures companies are under (being an owner myself) so I'm sorry if I offended you personally.(the rest can stick it ;-)

UK guy's are on somewhere between £ 8-14 ph + bits (phone car/van uniforms 20 to 25 paid holidays + bank holidays etc phone, some have private med -most don't

This is pretty much the whole of the UK. London is slightly higher but the cost of living outweighs that by far.

The world over there is a shortage of good skilled guys and because it's difficult to charge a decent rate pay reflects this..It's a vicious circle

Tell me ,what's the difference in your eyes between a mechanic and an engineer in this respect?

Cheers

Richard

Barty, got one for you, I'm self employed and can do what the hell I want.

Ok Barty
So I was fishing earlier and I caught a big one! A skilled engineer from the UK. Well I dont know how business, taxes, benefits,and pay scale goes over there but here in Florida for a skilled HVACR Mechanic,not a skilled Engineer, working for a small company, thats a great package to start. After that show me what you can do. We are increasing our vacation and paid time off because thats the feed back Im getting, not just from you. Thats reasonable,the bigger you get the easier it is for men to take time off, including me I hope. Im here to make an offer, learn and improve, not to get beat up and put down.
You know who I am because I posted the job ad you been knocking.
So tell us about the benefits, bonuses,and pay scale in the UK so we'll know how bad were suffering in the Good Ol USA.

Long live the Queen!!

Cheers yourself

[Edited by oneacman on 01-27-2006 at 06:38 AM]

Ok I saw what you said and I see the feed back on the paid time off issue. No gripes about the pay scale?


Pay is all relative so it would mean little to me if it was $16 or $60 ....



So actually we offer to first year employees 5 vacation days,6 holidays,2 sick days,and 2 bereavement days. So to sweaten the pot some if we add 3 personal days, another sick day, another bereavement day and after 4 years 10 vacation days. Considering our pay scale would that be enough sugar on top for you? Is there anything else that we can do for you? Just let me know.


I haven't got a clue who you are let alone if what you offer is good bad or indifferent.

All I know is that in 2006 5 days vacation for a skilled engineer is S.H.I.T.E full stop, period.

Now if work is so tight or you just want to stick your head up your 'you know what' then turn it into an anti American thread....

It's so narrow minded this "hey someone is attacking 5 days vacation - get im boys.."

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A proficient working knowledge of HVACR required. Must have excellent communication and soft skills. Must coordinate with others,manage time, work with sense of urgency,prioritize and reprioritize when necessary. Residential to restaurants,Air conditioners to food steamers, Service agreements to emergency service

Pay scale 16-26.00 based on abilities and NATE certifications.Double time over 50

Company van and tools,6 paid holidays,matching 401k,on call rotation 5-6 weeks

Year end bonus calculated from gross sales!!

After 1 year paid group medical, 1 weeks vacation, After 5 years 2 weeks vacation

Family oriented company, flexible work hours
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Family oriented company my arse !!


Cheers

Richard

Originally posted by barty
Hi guy's

just been browsing the jobs section which mentioned the vacation days as

1 week (5 days) rising to 2 weeks(10 days) after 5 years

We in the UK get somewhere around 25 days from the first year

No wonder 30% of Americans don't bother with passports !!

Cheers

richard

Ok I saw what you said and I see the feed back on the paid time off issue. No gripes about the pay scale? So actually we offer to first year employees 5 vacation days,6 holidays,2 sick days,and 2 bereavement days. So to sweaten the pot some if we add 3 personal days, another sick day, another bereavement day and after 4 years 10 vacation days. Considering our pay scale would that be enough sugar on top for you? Is there anything else that we can do for you? Just let me know.

I'm in the US and I get 10 days vacation/5 sick days/3personal days/11 paid plus 1 flooting holiday. for a total of 30 days of with pay.

yep your right ...... but who is the unlucky sucker living in England and not the USA..... THAT WOULD BE YOU. Not picking on you but thats just the facts. lol So any more complaints about the USA..... if so get in line with FRANCE, Their always *****ing about something about the USA.

Oh and by the way why are you looking at a job section for here lol.....never mind we know the answer to that , dont we.

[Edited by dec on 01-25-2006 at 12:04 PM]

Originally posted by 2cold4u
what country put a 12 men on the moon?

The last man on the moon was 1972 IE 34 years ago!!..Talk about living off past glories!!



Found some stuf on the net but it's from 2003 (IE 3 years ago which is 31 years less out of date than the 'man on the moon' post ;-))

The table below outlines minimum paid vacation mandates for full time workers who have worked for one year in various countries:

Country Vacation Time

Argentina 14 calendar days
Australia No national law, but 4 weeks is standard
Belgium 20 days, premium pay
Bulgaria 20 business days
Canada At least 2 weeks, determined by provincial law
Chile 15 working days
China 0
Czech Republic 4 weeks
France 5 weeks
Germany 4 weeks
Hong Kong 7 days
Hungary 20 work days
Ireland 4 weeks
Israel 14 days
Italy Mandated vacation, length determined by employment contract
Japan 10 days paid time off (includes other leave time)
Mexico 6 days
Northern Mariana Islands 0
Poland 18 working days
Puerto Rico 15 days
Saudi Arabia 15 days
Singapore 7 days
South Africa 21 consecutive days
South Korea 10 working days
Spain 30 calendar days
Sweden 5 weeks
Taiwan 7 days
The Netherlands 4 weeks
Turkey 12 work days
UK No national law, implementing EC directive (4 weeks annual leave)
Ukraine 24 calendar days
US No national requirement. Some public employee requirements.
Venezuela 15 paid days


Put's you right up there with 'Northern Mariana Islands' (who they??)and China




Cheers

Richard

what country put a 12 men on the moon?

I remember George Harrison's Taxman

Originally posted by barty
Hi guy's

We in the UK get somewhere around 25 days from the first year

I've barely had that many UNPAID days off in the last year. Of course, when you're livin the dream one day at a time, what do ya expect?

Originally posted by barty
Hi guy's

just been browsing the jobs section which mentioned the vacation days as

1 week (5 days) rising to 2 weeks(10 days) after 5 years

We in the UK get somewhere around 25 days from the first year

No wonder 30% of Americans don't bother with passports !!

Cheers

richard

I can beat that......365 days most years...every now & then 366 days lol