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Originally Posted by neophytes serendipity My comment on that would not be, shall I say, polite? If the rank and file has to provide their own conveyance.... And, an assistant BA??? Yeah, I know...
Originally Posted by BergerMech Rob That reminded me - in the very same letter describing what poor shape the local pension is in, there was an announcement of a "special order of business" at the next meeting to vote on whether to buy the assistant BA a new vehicle. My comment on that would not be, shall I say, polite? If the rank and file has to provide their own conveyance.... And, an assistant BA???
Originally Posted by neophytes serendipity Declining hours worked by union members means lower contributions to health and welfare funds. Union members expect benefits to maintain current levels or increase. Union management (BA's and other Union employees) keep receiving 6 figure salaries and more bennies than the rank and file members. It will not add up. Something will have to give. Should get interesting.... That reminded me - in the very same letter describing what poor shape the local pension is in, there was an announcement of a "special order of business" at the next meeting to vote on whether to buy the assistant BA a new vehicle.
Declining hours worked by union members means lower contributions to health and welfare funds. Union members expect benefits to maintain current levels or increase. Union management (BA's and other Union employees) keep receiving 6 figure salaries and more bennies than the rank and file members. It will not add up. Something will have to give. Should get interesting....
The local here was scheduled for a $2 raise in May - They got it, but it all went to health and welfare. To make matters worse, I received a letter in the mail explaining how the pension is only like 50-something percent funded.
Laborers and Operators on strike in this area.
Originally Posted by RoBoTeq What good does it do to walk out over this? Health and welfare costs are increasing for everyone. How do you expect the company to be able to pay for the increases? You may not think of it as a wage increase, but it is. If your company pays more for a benefit that they are providing you, then they have increased your wage package. I understand..........
This is recent video from Greece. Pray this does not happen here. http://www.reuters.com/news/video?vi...deoId=76497400
Scab, yea that is it. It's been sooooo long since I heard that term and that's a sign of a poor economy. When I know these union folks get a big hat on their heads again and can shout out terms like this then I know they are getting their demands for their contrat labor which is a sure sign that our economy in on an upswing again. I'm hoping it's soon...............but I don't think so by all signs. It's really a depressing time. Like unions or not they are part of the world and make it go round. Anyone old enough to remember the faces of the auto workers laid off in Detroit and the end of the steel mills in the Ohio/Pa. region in the 70's and 80's. They fought to the very end against a wind that was not blowing their way. It was the end of an era, sad to say.
Originally Posted by DeltaT My union neighbor has been laid off his construction job for about 3 months now. And he's telling me there is no work coming for his company that use to have over 1,000 employees about a year ago. He was one of the last laid off snce he is a valued long term employee. I hope whatever you guys do you do it responsibly and with the present financial situation in hand. As I've said before, when my union brothers start to yell at me that I'm a skagg ( what is the term?) again then I know the economy is picking up. And I'm looking forward to that again, believe it or not. I think you mean "scab." I hope this does not go the way of Greece. The guys you seen in the news pictures are Greek union guys.
My union neighbor has been laid off his construction job for about 3 months now. And he's telling me there is no work coming for his company that use to have over 1,000 employees about a year ago. He was one of the last laid off snce he is a valued long term employee. I hope whatever you guys do you do it responsibly and with the present financial situation in hand. As I've said before, when my union brothers start to yell at me that I'm a skagg ( what is the term?) again then I know the economy is picking up. And I'm looking forward to that again, believe it or not.
Originally Posted by heavymetaldad Local 150 operating engineers, and a coupla others, carpenters, being another, walked out on wednesday. They do not want wage increase, just to cover the sky rocketing costs of health and welfare. What good does it do to walk out over this? Health and welfare costs are increasing for everyone. How do you expect the company to be able to pay for the increases? You may not think of it as a wage increase, but it is. If your company pays more for a benefit that they are providing you, then they have increased your wage package.
Local 150 operating engineers, and a coupla others, carpenters, being another, walked out on wednesday. They do not want wage increase, just to cover the sky rocketing costs of health and welfare.
Originally Posted by timebuilder Can you type that more like Joe Pesci? I'm afraid I'd destroy my keyboard if I tried to type like Joe Pesci.
Originally Posted by y7turbo Goodfellas? That's what I was going for. Thanks for noticiing.
Originally Posted by timebuilder For the record, I have been a member of three unions. I have nothing against unions. I object to governments using taxpayer dollars to not get the best job done for the lowest price, just as one does in competitive bidding. To make matters worse, the public employee unions then lobby to make government bigger, and every one of us on this board, in fact EVERY tax payer, covers that extra cost. Over 40% of government employees are now unionized as opposed to less then 9% of the private sector. Why? Because only an organization that does not have to be responsible with other peoples money can afford the high cost of organized labor.
Originally Posted by y7turbo Its going to end up just like any other thread that has the word "Union" in it. Lots of guys on this board hate unions, and this is the only place where they can voice their opinions without real confrontation, so the posts get ugly everytime. Give it time Mark, Im sure this thread will pick up. Unions fit right in with Obama's visions of the future of the Socialist Union of Communist States, ie; SUCS!
Originally Posted by RoBoTeq What?! Am I here to entertain you? You think I'm funny? Can you type that more like Joe Pesci?
Originally Posted by RoBoTeq What?! Am I here to entertain you? You think I'm funny? Goodfellas?
Originally Posted by mark beiser This thread has failed to be as entertaining as I'd hoped, but Robo is here now, so I'm still optomistic! What?! Am I here to entertain you? You think I'm funny?
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