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Re: Spike

Originally posted by selfemployed
# 1 Dice and I have been in Buss. about the same time. # 2 Get your A** to the next Convention, bring your wife.
# 3 Your customers will be there when you get back.
# 4 Yes the grass is greener, could be putting sh** on it. # 5 You may know to much to work for someone else now # 6 Folks told me to grow my Buss. I'm still a 1 man shop. # 7 I plan to leave here the way I came. Broke and naked.

I agree, nice touch Scott, broke and naked.....nice....

I would just hire some one else to do most of the work, and let him make you money. You could then have some more time to persue your other desires. I am not saying to get out, but maybe a small van for your self and set a limit of 30 hours a week period! The work will wait for you!

Spike

# 1 Dice and I have been in Buss. about the same time. # 2 Get your A** to the next Convention, bring your wife.
# 3 Your customers will be there when you get back.
# 4 Yes the grass is greener, could be putting sh** on it. # 5 You may know to much to work for someone else now # 6 Folks told me to grow my Buss. I'm still a 1 man shop. # 7 I plan to leave here the way I came. Broke and naked.

yeagh that was little too harsh. i meant it kinda sorta like hey, bozo.

I don't think Spike is a wus, not at all.
It's a tough decision, thinking about the fam and all.

Your thread asked the question what you should do. And you have been given an incredible amount of real experience in all our threads. The question isn't what you should do. Not even close to that. You could make it either way and make it well.

The question you need to ask is.

What do you want to do? How on earth can we know that?

If you want my straight up opinion. I think your being a wus and haven't given yourself a chance to be succesful yet. Listen to these guys my man. You aint the first person to wake up one day and having a tough time trying to put food on the table as a self employed contractor. And you aint the first to be presented an opportunity which makes life easier in ways. But godamnit listen. We hear you. We understand. And were all telling you to stay the course. And in time you will be gratefull to heed that advice. Your the only one that has now got to walk that rope and understand with out words what were saying. And in time you will understand why this choice is your best bet.

2032

I will be a very old man by then, but I will still be here busting your guys chops.........

Fast Forward to year 2032

Spike posting on HVAC-TALK announcing his retirement.

Spike Quote:
Today I am announcing my retirement to all my fellow brother HVAC/R comrades. Twenty–seven years ago in February of 2005 after being in business for four years and successful, I almost made the fatal mistake of going back to work for someone else all because I just needed a little extra push, guidance and advice from my friends here. Looking back it was hard to vision the successes which would come my way when you go through the tough times. The most important thing I learned while being self-employed is you must keep yourself motivated. I learned a lot from the free http://www.inc.com newsletter in sales, marketing and other business areas which helped me tremendously, and my friends here.

One night at the dinner table while admiring my beautiful family, I realized going back to work for someone else would not provide for my family like I wanted. Little did I know, taking the extra steps of marketing my company better would and did satisfy our dreams. I was able to pay the college tuition for my children, and now can enjoy my retirement years while being financially secure.

During my retirement, I will be posting here often to help show you youngsters the ropes.

Again, thanks to all my friends here, it has been a great ride.
End quote year 2032


MadeinUSA….Vision it Spike, it is all there for you to have. You have gone four years and proven to yourself you are a successful entrepreneur. Take the extra steps to continue controlling your own destiny.

You never know what opportunities will come your way while in business which can enable you to diversify. This can not happen when working for others. You are living the American dream with a family and your own business. Don’t you DARE let someone else control it since you are already successful. Isn’t having a jerk for a boss once enough in your lifetime?

Print my signature line and tape it at the top of your screen so you can vision your goals.

Good luck to you.

HVAC/R ENTREPRENEUR OATH
I, SPIKE, promise to never let a manufacture, wholesaler or any other source control my company’s destiny and ability to provide for my family, and my employees families.


_____________________
Signed


HVAC-TALK MEMBERS
Authorized

I remember a story my dad told long ago, I never forgot it.

He left his dads plumbing biz to open his own, my grand pop was cheap and some other factors, that was in the late 30's maybe early 40's or so. My dad worked hard and did well, built a house in a very good neighborhood outside of Pittsburgh here.
He had friends that were well off, some inherited their dough, most worked for it. One day one of his friends who had a great job and made lots and lots more money than my dad said this to him. Paraphrased now, "Ya know, I envy you, I wish I could have my name on the side of a truck and a business I could have started and called my own."
Through it all I never forgot that.

You're ex parnter made all the wrong moves, you made the right ones, that's why you will be successful in time.

When I officially went into biz 25 years ago last November, 2 year old kid, preg wife, health insurance went belly up after the 2nd kid was born, don't know how we made it.
Hang in there, think about it, good luck.

First, I am truly touched that y’all take the time to help a (wishy-washy) brother out with advice…

James - Yes, we did. Health issues were a factor then, along with what I’ve said earlier on this thread. And then it was the recruiter thing before that… I’m busted…

Shane, what can I say. Read your post 4 times. I hear you, friend, and you’re right. You, Dice, James, benn, and MANY others have been so inspirational and motivational, friggin amazing… And I think I do pattern my business style after ya’ll…

And yes, I went thru Dice’s website and learned a lot, both technically and about the business side of things. His site actually inspired me to do mine in a similar manner. Yes, it took a lot of time, at the time. But not anymore, it’s done. And that article he wrote in The News about which jobs to take and such was great…

You’re right though, I am a perfectionist. And I can’t rest until everything (about the biz) is 100% squared away… It’s like a cloud over me when there are things left to do…

And I do like being small. People ask me, when you gonna hire people, get trucks. I’m like –naaah…

Since we’re this deep into this topic, let me share this. I hope this translates on the net…

I started this biz somewhat different than most owners, I think. Six months before I opened this biz, I quit that civil service job I mentioned earlier and stupidly opened another HVAC biz with a PARTNER! At the time, it was the thing to do. My civil service boss was a complete ass, and the new partner and I had went through trade school together, and got along OK. He’s 10 years younger than me, but a sharp tech. Headstrong with lots of attitude, a go-getter. After graduation. we went our separate ways, but would see each occasionally at the parts house. One day we passed each other on the road, pulled over and talked, and decided to open a biz together. We were both CLUELESS…

My wife was prego with my son at the time I quit the govt job and opened the 1st biz with dude. She was freaking out (I can’t believe she didn’t divorce me)…

Dude was BIG into wanting to do new construction. I grew up all on the service side in this biz and really wanted nothing to do with ductwork or new construction at all. You can see where this is going…

I did ALL the administrative stuff required to open the biz, I passed the Master exam for the mech license, etc, etc. He sat back and waited till we hung out our shingle. He was already basically unemployed at the time. (isn’t hindsight 20/20?)…

So he’s out bidding new construction jobs and getting nowhere. We’re putting systems in 40 year-old houses that didn’t have central anything, and you know how bad that sucks…

Three months into it, neither of us are having much fun at all. We had totally different as on where we should focus the business. Me – all service, him – all new construction…

At the 4 month mark, (July) he tells me he wants to buy me out! Wife’s still prego, really freakin out now! We went back and forth, yada, yada. Truly was the end of the world at the time…

Anyway, I decided to let him buy me out and start over. BEST DECISION I EVER MADE!!!!!!!

He took subsequently took out the biggest full-page ad in the phonebook. “We beat any competitor’s price” it says at the top (doh!)…

In the 3 years since, he’s had judgements against him by the Employment Security Commission, bounced his employee’s pay checks, had to replace burned carpet in customer’s house when red hot El’s popped of the reefer line out of the closet on an AH replacement, fix big water damage on a high $$ house from an attic install with no 2nd pan, his S-corp has been administratively dissolved by the state, etc.etc.

I digress…

So I took the buyout money and opened this biz right back up. Sink or swim in the middle of peak summer season. It was easy – did it in 1/3 the time it took the 1st go-round…

I say all this not to argue or justify, but so you kinda know where I’m coming from. Y’all may think I’m nuts…

The idea of having a partner was OK (all things considered). It was the thing to do at the time, and we ran with it. Having it blow up on me 4 months later was a blessing in disguise, but I had to what I had to do, and quick. Couldn’t go back to the old job (I went out with a bang, if you know what I mean).…

I never really had a burning desire to be self-employed, to be the boss, a sole proprietor/ owner. But now that I’m here, I don’t mind it. It has brought to a new level of understanding, made me grow up. I knew I was smart enough. And I can maintain this and make it work…

But with retirement and family in mind, I can’t help but wonder if I’m really using my available resources effectively? All that paper I have ain’t doin’ squat for me now, but it travels well with civil service employment. Get me?
In summary, the best way to describe it, is that I was ½ way up the govt’ ladder in all regards, and going well towards the top, and I jumped off…

But I learned a HELLUVA lot since that jump, buuut….Is the grass greener? Is there an easier/better way?…

Sorry so long & thanks…

Originally posted by Diceman
That was pretty long Dow.......
But pretty damn good...........

I remember back in the olden days when Many D's didn't use paragraphs. So you newbies are lucky.

The problem with a Military guy doing this HVAC stuff is he can't let go with the stigma that every call is a emergency because in essence that was the environment he operated in. After a while you feel like the nail. When you can learn to relax and realize you can't fix every system that was ever broke, that customers will make unreasonable demands after you gave them advice then did not take, then you can become the hammer for a while. You can enjoy this.

That was pretty long Dow.......
But pretty damn good...........

I have been restraining to say anything here and monitoring the comments to see as many ideas as possible.

Mr Spike. Your first post to start this off was eerily familiar to the way I feel at times. And I will often get on here and then you got a guy like Dice to shake you straight. But not to pick on Dice, but listen to him in this light:

He's self employed. Just him. Like you and I. Now the others are talking about bodies falling apart, and taxes difficult to pay and all that. I think more than anything when I have talked with Ed in email that I have learned from him is, that what he means when he presses to say to you to buck up, is that he found a very good balance as a one man band, in this business and he is a good one to ask for the survival tips if you want to remain as a one man band. It doesn't have to be terrible and it does'nt have to kill you and rob you of all your time.

Us self starters all know too well, how easily you can find yourself getting caught up in the chaos and keep pushing for more work, more money and trying to be everything as a 10 man shop would be so that you can grow. Sometimes you just got to relax a little and not let it get you down. I see your post and your talking like you got to do the website and it takes just such effort. Quite honestly your being dramatic as a way to convince yourself to take this other route. But not only just have a website but do it perfect. In time my friend it all comes together. In time means that it's a goal you work torwards everyday. Don't try to do it in one week.

I think I learned on this website from guys like Ed and James, is that, yes it's a ball buster to push your business to grow but yet it can be very easily managed if you know you want to remain small like you are.

Personally as I am learning my business, I am figuring out that in order to grow, my biggest thing will be capital. Guys like you and I that got started on a checkbook with 500 bucks in it, we reason that we can work our tails off to build the capital to grow. Maybe. But thats where you feel so pressed right? But it will be alot easier to bowrrow the coin to grow. Only after you figure out what you want. And only after you figure out what you have learned.

I have learned that, in order to find a good balance as a self employed that I need to first understand that I can only accept work that I know damn well I can do at a high level and profit. I can often look at being asked to do work thats not neccesarily beyond my knowledge but is definatley beyond my capability from a labor and financial perspective. That can tear a guy up in and of itself. So what do most guys do. They take that job cause they got a pair of balls and they want to make money. But then it kills them. What I am saying is, understand who you are and find work that is commensurate with your capability. Just cause your smart and you know knowledge wise know you can do the job, doesn't mean you can do it because your running a business and you must and need to see things from how long it takes to how much it makes to yada yada.

I think your military background has got you thinking romantically about getting back around it as a civilian, simply because your seeing a rough time on your own. But your not recognizing something. As being a self employed you don't see the reality that you have changed inside. You will only come to terms with this part of yourself once your freedom is taken from you and you do not hold the position of decision maker. You can't know the difference unless you go through that. I have. Just like Jerry told you. He was miserable. I was also very miserable. And you will eventually find yourself miserable too. It absolutely sucks to go from being your own boss and to then being someone elses employee. You will find yourself asking yourself constantly, how they reason and why they think it should be done a way that is in entire opposition to how you would do it if given the choice.

The facts are this. You change as you stay self employed. You learn things about yourself and your mind makes changes. To then change again is going to be even more stressful on your wife and children. Trust me. My wife said the same thing as Jerry's. I was like a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. And I was even more depressed. I never solved my problem of trying to relieve stress and be
more happy. The minute you make a final decision that this is just who you are and that your going to stay the course, you will all of a sudden feel a sense of calm you have never felt before. And your about getting to that point.

I would say this to you, and I can say it with persepctive, and I encourage you to ask more questions. Here is my advice. Stay the course with your business. Take a breath and find out what you want out of it. Design a plan that fits that as much as possible and then simply forge ahead.

There is one thing that no one on here in business can deny. That amongst all the benefits of being self employed, that one sticks out so well. You don't have to be broke, in debt or in trouble. In business, you may not want to make a ton of cash, but it's the simple fact that that opportunity is always there. You create those opportunities for yourself. You find it easier to do as you do it more. I liken this as to listening to Jerry the last couple years. He's finding a stride. And he's finding it easier to make money with less headache. Able to handle more stress and very easily. It took him 25 years, but boy oh boy think if he didn't say the course. Now with you and me, we have someone like Jerry who is so willing to kindly open up and tell us how he does it. In a way mentor us young ens. You can't find that most any place near you. Or you can continue with the route that Ed or James has done. Thier comfortable, they manage well, they know truly what they want out of it. But none the less out of all three examples. They made opportunities for themselves to get what they want.

Bottom line is you can't do that working for others.

You might want to talk with frozensolid. From the looks of his postings, he has that relief of stress down pretty good...

We could all pitch in and make you a member of ACCA and see if their statement about helping improve your business is an accurate one. You could be a work in progress before the whole country, like a pet project. Or maybe if they had any sense, they would bring you in for free as a marketing project after reading my post here and utilize you to prove their abilities.

[Edited by madeinusa on 02-04-2005 at 02:09 AM]

Didn't we have this conversation last year? Yes I think we did. Do you get depressed this time a year? Lot's of people do. Have you ever visited a prostitute?

IF

If I could let everyone here pay me and get good benefits and not have to worry about slow/no pays..... I'd jump on that like stink on a skunk...JMHO ..Take the gov job, but come back and tell us it really sux.

If I was in your position, I'd say take the Govt job. As a one man show, your body's going to go straight to hell in a handbasket in the coming years. Before you know it, nobody'll want to employ you. When you get hurt or need surgery, it's all over. I'm there right now. Trapped in this business with a half dozen surgeries saved up. If I have them done, I'm out of business. If I don't, well, how long can I hold up?

spike


Make time for those two kids,These two are your future. kids at that age need daddy not just a dad