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Originally Posted by roofdude

I guess it does depend on the chapter you join. The chapter I joined in Texas was a complete waste of time and money.

It is what you make of it.

How involved were you?

Rses is better but this stuff is good.

Originally Posted by supertek65

if you join you can go on line and get learning material!

it is by far the best learning material available today.

RSES tech 1 would be good for you.

frank

That material vs this one?? Which is better any thoughts?

http://www.prokupmediastore.com/Air-...ning_c_32.html

thanks

i want to thank everyone for the info/advice.i appreciate it.

guess i will join up and start with manual1 -w-the CD's

thanks again,
T.J.

FYI to all regarding CM Exam, Jayson Goff will be presenting a CM Prep Session at the RSES Conference next week (11-14-2012 to 11-16-2012).

There will be a lot of other educational stuff going on too. Go to RSES.org conference and check it out.

There is just so much to learn, I am close to 60 and I have seen our industry change rapidly especially over the past five year, and it is going to get even faster. It is so important to keep learning.

Be the best at something, some area of our work, grab ahold to it and purpose in your heart that you will study and learn to be the best in that area!

Certificate Member Specialist (CMS)
A Certificate Member Specialist (CMS)
has passed a comprehensive and difficult
exam in a specific area of expertise.
Current pass rates for Specialist exams
average approximately 20%. Only about
2.5% of the RSES membership holds this
prestigious classification of membership.
CMS exams are available only to RSES
CM members. There are eight categories
of testing from which to choose:
l Commercial Refrigeration
l Commercial Air Conditioning
l Heating
l HVACR Electrical
l Controls
l Domestic Service
l Heat Pump
l Dynamic Compression

CM is certificate member

CMS is certificate Member Specialist

Originally Posted by bmwruss

As I stated when I started this post, I'm new to this industry and still in HVAC school. So forgive me if I ask simpleton questions. What is the CMS exam and CM test?

Certificate Member (CM)


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Certificate Membership is a classification of RSES membership, which originated in 1935. Exclusive to RSES members, this designation is earned after successfully passing a rigorous examination.


The CM examination tests 18 categories of knowledge required in the installation and servicing of refrigeration and air conditioning equipment. It requires a thorough understanding of the fundamentals of mechanical refrigeration theory, as well as working knowledge of installation, service and troubleshooting procedures.


The Importance of the CM Designation

Achieving CM status can have a significant effect on your career. From direct financial incentives to long-term job security, attaining CM provides your employer with the criteria by which to evaluate and reward your personal commitment to continuing education. RSES Certificate Members are recognized industry-wide as possessing high levels of HVACR knowledge and many employers offer incentives for successful CM-test completion!


“Kerr Controls feels that it’s very important for our employees to stay current with industry developments. We believe RSES programs provide excellent avenues to accomplish that goal – to the extent that the company not only pays the employees’ annual membership dues, but covers costs for them to attend conferences where CM testing is held. If an employee passes the CM test, we have a $500 bonus for them!”

Kevin Toomey
Sales Manager
Kerr Controls Limited
Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada

Advancement in the RSES Technical Institute

RSES members who earn CM classification also advance within the RSES Technical Institute to Level IV – Advanced Tech CM.


Exam Structure and Categories

There are 150 multiple-choice questions on the examination. A grade of 70% is required to pass.


To document the difficulty of the CM examination, RSES International Headquarters keeps accurate records of the examinations given and the results of each. Current pass rates are roughly 30%.


View the breakdown of exam categories for the CM exam.


Who Can Take the CM Exam?

Any RSES member who is in good standing and is an Active member may take the exam. RSES Canada requires two years of Active membership for their members before taking the exam.


What is the Cost to Take a CM Exam?

Every RSES member has the opportunity to take the exam for a $25.00 fee.



Certification Preparation

RSES recommends the Technical Institute Manuals 1, 2, and 3, which provide a comprehensive course of study for those members who wish to prepare for the CM exam. Click on the titles below to view further details on these manuals:


RSES Technical Manual 1

RSES Technical Manual 2

RSES Technical Manual 3



What Does RSES Do to Promote My Achievement?

All successful CM candidates receive two personalized wall certificates; one indicating their new status in the organization as a Certificate Member and the other an RSES Technical Institute Level 4 certificate suitable for framing along with a patch promoting their new status.

In addition, all future correspondence includes the CM designation with the member’s name – and the member is encouraged to do the same. With the member’s permission, his or her employer is notified of successful passing. Further, the names of successful candidates are included in each month’s RSES Journal, as well as listed in press releases and broadcast e-mail sent to industry peers and publications.

Each year, the member with the highest score (Society-wide) on the CM exam receives the John Spence Award at the RSES Annual Conference. In addition, Certificate Members can purchase the exclusive RSES CM ring.

Where can I take the examination?
Certificate Member (CM) examinations may be offered at State or Regional training events, through a local Chapter, at International Seminars or the Annual RSES Conference.

View the RSES Events Calendar to find scheduled exams in your area or contact your local Chapter to obtain course information in your area.


Need more information?

For further information on the Certificate Member (CM) examination please call RSES headquarters at 800/297-5660 or 847/297-6464, or e-mail us at certification@rses.org.










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As I stated when I started this post, I'm new to this industry and still in HVAC school. So forgive me if I ask simpleton questions. What is the CMS exam and CM test?

Originally Posted by T.J.

i have a few RSES questions i hope y'all can help me with.

after reading a few posts about the subject i sent off & recieved their info packet.i plan on joining & ordering some of their stuff.my questions are on what i should order.

a little background first - i attended & graduated (pretty high in my class) a tech school HVAC program several years ago.like an idiot i did nothing with what i learned from it.i decided to do something else and now i regret not going into heating & air.i have decided to give heating & air another try but,i have lost alot of what i had learned.

my questions : what would be the best to order? start with manual 1? just the manual or order the CD's with it?

any advice would be appreciated.

T.J.

After hearing about how tough the CM test is I decided to break down and get the 3 manuals myself. I'm working my way through them. It's like wading through alligators but I think it'll pay off in the long run.

you are correct sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Originally Posted by supertek65

good job!!!!!!!!!

are you going to take a CMS exam?


Thanks supertek65 I am planning on taking a CMS exam, the one thing I' ve learned from taking the CM test is there is ALOT I dont know, but I WILL keep studying. I feel its the only way to be good at this trade.

[QUOTE=supertek65;14515971]good job!!!!!!!!!

are you going to take a CMS exam?


Thanks supertek65 I am planning on taking a CMS exam, the one thing I' ve learned from taking the CM test is there is ALOT I dont know, but I WILL keep studying. I feel its the only way to be good at this trade.

thats cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it will pay off, I promise!

Originally Posted by TriplePoint

Undecided at the moment but I am leaning towards RAC sm test first then testing out on the tech 1 material when I get through it. I saw that you can take a final for each of the 3 cm manuals.

3pt - sent this from his DUMB-PHONE

Undecided at the moment but I am leaning towards RAC sm test first then testing out on the tech 1 material when I get through it. I saw that you can take a final for each of the 3 cm manuals.

3pt - sent this from his DUMB-PHONE

good job!!!!!!!!!

are you going to take a CMS exam?



[QUOTE=J/D;14512911]

Originally Posted by TriplePoint

Just ordered the Tech 1 manual. I am looking forward to using the disc. RSES training materials are the best out there.

I bought the three disc set to prepare for the CM test at first I thought they were pricey,that is until I started using them. AWSOME I dont regret buying them and I passed the CM test the first time due in part to the discs.

good job 3pt!!!!!!!!

i could not focus on both of those at once!!!!!!!!!!

I dont know about the best order but I am going through the rac and tech 1 materials at the same time. I did order the manual and disc. Its a whole lot of material but I really enjoy soaking it all up.

3pt - sent this from his DUMB-PHONE

i have a few RSES questions i hope y'all can help me with.

after reading a few posts about the subject i sent off & recieved their info packet.i plan on joining & ordering some of their stuff.my questions are on what i should order.

a little background first - i attended & graduated (pretty high in my class) a tech school HVAC program several years ago.like an idiot i did nothing with what i learned from it.i decided to do something else and now i regret not going into heating & air.i have decided to give heating & air another try but,i have lost alot of what i had learned.

my questions : what would be the best to order? start with manual 1? just the manual or order the CD's with it?

any advice would be appreciated.

T.J.

[QUOTE=TriplePoint;14511191]Just ordered the Tech 1 manual. I am looking forward to using the disc. RSES training materials are the best out there.

I bought the three disc set to prepare for the CM test at first I thought they were pricey,that is until I started using them. AWSOME I dont regret buying them and I passed the CM test the first time due in part to the discs.

Just ordered the Tech 1 manual. I am looking forward to using the disc. RSES training materials are the best out there.

RSES's = the (.)(.)'s

3pt - sent this from his DUMB-PHONE

I agree!

I will never give up my membership!

If things were so tight that I could not afford $100 bucks a year or whatever it is?
keeping in mind that this money goes to an HVAC educational society, I would have hit rock bottom!

If you think you can not afford it?
get a coffee can on January 1 of 2013 and put a quarter in it every day until 2014 and then join!

Originally Posted by spliskin

Access to the SAMS (Service Application Manuals) online is worth the dues. (Free with membership) You have a question or problem you'll find the answer in there. No other organization has the wealth of HVACR info RSES has. Pretty much anyone who is good in this trade either is or was an RSES member.

Originally Posted by steve wright

I have been a member (RSES) since 1978, it has been great for my career.

RSES is known as the Training Authority, they are on the cutting edge of new information that we need to excell in the service field.

There is no long term commitment and I think the RSES Journal and SAM are worth the price of membership.