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Originally Posted by wiley9190

why would you need two?

If you're a Professional and work in the field, you'll need a spare sooner or later (or use two hoses or two pumps). If it's important, I have two (or more).

The Appion core tool is the best I've owned. I had a YJ 4 in 1 cost me 4 hours on a Commercial Trane one day because it was LEAKING. After I figured out what the problem was I Used My Back-up Core Tool. I've also owned the C&D, it works but it's not the quality the Appion is.

I got one each yesterday. 1/4 and 5/16.

I have 2 of them myself. The ones I have are standard residential port size. Is this what your asing?

draw from both sides..when you have a 20 ton unit you speed up the process any way you can.

why would you need two?

I picked one up 2 days ago. I have used it three times so far. Excellent tool!!
I would have gotten two but they only had one in stock. So i had a side by side comparison i guess you could say during my evacuation. The Appion was rock solid. The YJ did its job well (only 6 mo old) but the seal feels light compared to the Appion.

It rocks

This core tool rocks, I own all of the core tools made...they all suck. This Appion rocks and is worth every penny. It has made my life easier since I bought it.

Originally Posted by Appion-ChrisP

Just to answer the original question:

Both Appion core removal tools have a 1/4" side port and a 1/4" hose connection port. The only connection difference between the two is the swivel fitting you attach to the system: 1/4" or 5/16".

FWIW, our Valve Core Removal Tools were not designed with sitcoms in mind.

Christian Pena - Appion Inc.

Hey Christian,

thanks for responding, and please stick around. I think there is a great opportunity for manufacturers to learn what the guys in the field are wanting in terms of product development. You guys could get a lot of ideas off HVAC-Talk!

Just to answer the original question:

Both Appion core removal tools have a 1/4" side port and a 1/4" hose connection port. The only connection difference between the two is the swivel fitting you attach to the system: 1/4" or 5/16".

FWIW, our Valve Core Removal Tools were not designed with sitcoms in mind.

Christian Pena - Appion Inc.

Originally Posted by darctangent

Yeah, he had to stop sucking on that silver spoon.

I used to love that show. Erin Gay...... need I say more? I don't know how you can miss that word so bad. You only deal with it like every day. I have seen people add an e after the a, but never name it after one of my favorite child actors.

Originally Posted by allstar08

I didn't know Rikky Schroeder was making valves. You learn something every day.

Yeah, he had to stop sucking on that silver spoon.

[QUOTE=JBM1000;10065592]My only gripe about core removal tools period is that the holding pin from the brass stem to the actual Schroeder u shaped grabber gets loose and eventually moves and either jams your attempt to remove the Schroeder or pin is now gone and brass stem just spins. So is the Appion unit a better longtime design and this is a non issue?[/QUOTe

I didn't know Rikky Schroeder was making valves. You learn something every day.

I use the C & D valve core tools. I got lucky and was able to buy them brand new off Ebay for bout half the MSRP.

They are on special for $44.99 at Johnstone till the end of the month.

Every tool that appion makes is great in my opinion ! The appion core remover vs YJ or C&D is superior. BluVac micron gauge is as good as advertised

I haven't tried the appion tool yet, but from other threads the tool doesn't have the same issues. I would try it after the liquid is removed from a system and then only use it on the high side as a test. This way the pressure isn't way too high with the core potentially broken.

My only gripe about core removal tools period is that the holding pin from the brass stem to the actual Schroeder u shaped grabber gets loose and eventually moves and either jams your attempt to remove the Schroeder or pin is now gone and brass stem just spins. So is the Appion unit a better longtime design and this is a non issue?

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Originally Posted by jjrr007

Thanks for letting me know. I really need to speed up my evacuation time and do a better job with evacuation.

I like that it has two male (output) ports. I can use one for the vacuum port and the other for the micron gauge. Ths way I can avoid using a t. Last question about this- can I use regular hoses on both output male ports?[/QUOTE
I am not a big fan of the side port , i believe it is upstream of the ball valve requiring another isolation valve between your micro gauge and the system, second I try not to monitor system vac pressure on the same line i am pulling from. I do use the main port quite often as a way to connect my micro gauge to a shrader fitting. its very rigid I can close the ball valve when not monitoring or when i am starting to charge the system, to prevent damage to my micro gauge. Everyone does it a little different, YMMV

yes you need ball valves to isolate the micron gauge, they don't like the oil. And YES, everybody that is particular about pumpdowns seems to do it differently. I, for example, use copper tubing with flare nuts instead of refrigerant hoses. I attach an inline ball valve to isolate the system from everything but the the micron gauge.

Guess how much I worry about bad hoses?

...not very much.

[QUOTE=jjrr007;10064932]Thanks for letting me know. I really need to speed up my evacuation time and do a better job with evacuation.

I like that it has two male (output) ports. I can use one for the vacuum port and the other for the micron gauge. Ths way I can avoid using a t. Last question about this- can I use regular hoses on both output male ports?[/QUOTE
I am not a big fan of the side port , i believe it is upstream of the ball valve requiring another isolation valve between your micro gauge and the system, second I try not to monitor system vac pressure on the same line i am pulling from. I do use the main port quite often as a way to connect my micro gauge to a shrader fitting. its very rigid I can close the ball valve when not monitoring or when i am starting to charge the system, to prevent damage to my micro gauge. Everyone does it a little different, YMMV
I use the black hoses for evacuation, should say on them evacuation and charging.
As AIreasearch stated its very important to remove the shrader depressor and check hose gaskets and o rings on your shrader tool . Look inside and you can see what a huge restriction it adds. I have a few manifold gauge setups . One is for evacuation and charging and they have the more expensive black hoses with no shrader depressors and a set of normal gauges for non evacuating purposes.

You can use regular hoses. If you remove your schrader depressors that will help speed up your evacuation as well. Check your o-rings and or hose gaskets to be good. Get a pack of them and change often.

They say the regular hoses permeate. And you will see that on your micron gauge. A slow rise even on a tite system with little moisture or contaminates.

They recommend a braided steel hose for the tightest evac.