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i could careless about the flashy of my digi-cools i could careless if the customer thinks i am the greatest tech ever because i have them i like the simple fact that i don't have to keep up with a PT chart anymore. the temp and pressure is right there in front of me. and since i started using them, about a year ago now, i pay more attention to temps than pressures. and using all the different refrigerants that are out there, that alone makes life easier on me
That I don't use the digital gauge doesn't matter. I have plans to purchase one because I believe that Digi-cools are a superior product after I have researched them. I am commenting on the proliferation of digital meters in general. Digital meters used to be limited to professional use, now, anybody can buy one at Home Depot or Lowes. I had an idiot in a kitchen try to compare her $12 digital probe thermometer to my Fluke 52. Hmmm. $12 vs $300. Where is the accuracy? Not all digital technology is good, but you do have to pay for the good stuff, and that doesn't take into account the skills to use the instrument or the knowledge to interpret the results.
jpsmith1cm - Your opinion is soooo typical for non digital gauge user. You will change your opinion as soon you have a digital one.
I think that the digital are a convenience tool. Nobody denies that the job camn be done as well with analog gauges and pipe clamps. (Still the way I do it, BTW) What makes the digital setups nice is that you have instant and simultaneous readout of SH/SC. No calculations are required. ***Controversial Opinion Ahead*** I also think that anything digital is simply impressive to some customers and techs. There seems to be a "If it's digital, it's gotta be good." mentality that has cropped up. In some cases, this is true, in other, not so much. Imagine, as a homeowner, two techs. Tech #1 has an old, but perfectly serviceable YJ brass manifold with analog gauges and a thermometer. Tech #2 has a set of Digi-cools. Which tech is the customer more immediately impressed with?
I think accuracy over conventional gauges is the biggest advantage.
Originally Posted by itsiceman I work at UPS sometimes and open the boxes You better keep your mitts off those boxes.
rugged digital gauges, backlit/ multi-color display, all refrigerants programmed into it (25 i think), auto calculates sh/sc, meter for fast diagnosis of faulty metering device (sub-psi pressure dynamics)...it actually reads pressure fluctuations down to a 1/4 psi, 1 tool instead of several that does the work in a faster amount of time allowing for faster diagnosis, has 3 different types of temperature sensors and automatically calibrates to atmospheric pressure. did i miss anything?
I'm not arguing just to argue, I really want to know what makes these gauges so different from other gauges. most of the techs that have them love them, I want to know why. I would like to have a set but I need to justify the cost first.
Originally Posted by clintkennon 700 bucks will buy a lot of thermometers and gauges, I think Ill stick to the old fashion way of doing things. I like new toys just as much as the next guy but $700 bucks and I still have to buy a manifold and hoses, come on. Id definitely prefer using the digicools. If youd rather using thermometers, gauges, pt chart and meter then do it. Im sure doug wont mind. Theres alot of techs that want the digicools and will buy them. I like new toys and $700 is definitely alot of money but well worth the expense. I just hope doug puts together a package deal with the 1250's, the new manifold and maybe some NRP hoses at a good price.
Originally Posted by fcs No it frees it up to cheak air temp and refig temp drops. The Digi makes it easy to leak check I can see a .5 psig drop in real time and have. It is quick and the bar graph make it easy to spot TXV issues. But to each his own. Another good point FCS. And if you have a first generation Testo 523 that has a leak test menu that reads out in .01 psia and data logging capabilities smaller leaks are more apparent.
Originally Posted by ascj Even if i decide to by the digicools, I'll still have and use my fluke 52-2. It doesn't replace it. No it frees it up to cheak air temp and refig temp drops. The Digi makes it easy to leak check I can see a .5 psig drop in real time and have. It is quick and the bar graph make it easy to spot TXV issues. But to each his own.
Originally Posted by MechAcc Same reason that once you use an electronic co/combustion meter it's hard to go back to using the manual kit with the CO2 barbell, stack thermometer, draft gauge. It makes the job easier and faster. Once you use a digital refrigerant service analyzer that has the refrigerant charts built in and the superheat/subcooling is being displayed in real time you'll find that you want to grab them for diagnostic and service job. I think thats a bad analogy. Electronic combustion analyzers are great because they will change reading as you adjust setting. Compared to old liquid filled combustion tests, which was a 20 minute ordeal after each setting change. Even will a analog guage and thermostat on lines, you can easy compute your reading in real time as you change setting on refrigeration.
Originally Posted by clintkennon I couldn't tell you how much a fluke 52-2 is , I don't use that either.I can tell you a thermometer sells for about 50 bucks that hooks up to my meter. What are the benefits? I can tell you superheat and subcooling already so don't tell me it calculates those fore you. If i'm going to hook up the thermometer all I have to do is look at the gauge and basic math tells me the rest. But i really would like to know what advantages their are to having these gauges. Same reason that once you use an electronic co/combustion meter it's hard to go back to using the manual kit with the CO2 barbell, stack thermometer, draft gauge. It makes the job easier and faster. Once you use a digital refrigerant service analyzer that has the refrigerant charts built in and the superheat/subcooling is being displayed in real time you'll find that you want to grab them for diagnostic and service job.
I couldn't tell you how much a fluke 52-2 is , I don't use that either.I can tell you a thermometer sells for about 50 bucks that hooks up to my meter. What are the benefits? I can tell you superheat and subcooling already so don't tell me it calculates those for you. If i'm going to hook up the thermometer all I have to do is look at the gauge and basic math tells me the rest. But i really would like to know what advantages their are to having these gauges.
Originally Posted by fcs I'll tell ya, It is a lot, but I was told If you buy it you'll love it and never want to use anything Else. AND its True. How much for a Fluke 52-2 and 2 pipe clamps, (which makes it a pain to move and get other temp measurement). Add that to GOOD Liq filled Gauges. An will the stay calb 5 yr latter? It is a lot to spend at once but the benefits quickly pay off. I can use my fluke 52-2 for air tempertures also. I just can't see the benefits of digital gauges. Why can't the digicools use "J" thermocouples so I dont have to buy the digital guages and all new pipe thermocouples? Even if i decide to by the digicools, I'll still have and use my fluke 52-2. It doesn't replace it.
I'll tell ya, It is a lot, but I was told If you buy it you'll love it and never want to use anything Else. AND its True. How much for a Fluke 52-2 and 2 pipe clamps, (which makes it a pain to move and get other temp measurement). Add that to GOOD Liq filled Gauges. An will the stay calb 5 yr latter? It is a lot to spend at once but the benefits quickly pay off.
700 bucks will buy a lot of thermometers and gauges, I think Ill stick to the old fashion way of doing things. I like new toys just as much as the next guy but $700 bucks and I still have to buy a manifold and hoses, come on.
trutechtools.com 700 ish just for the guage (no manifold).. im still thinking about getting them... someday!
I like it!!!! but what we talking? $$$$$
they look sweet
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