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It's way past my bedtime!

Jerry> Sorry, one thing I forgot to mention is that we'll have an In-House super tech that I'll be working with on issues...after the warranty is up.

And I'd have to agree with Dave. Around here the frigy techs that I call to service the 3-comp. rack have been more than delighted to share their knowledge. And that's why I kept calling them after the warranty was up.

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I really like reading the replys on this one...diversity makes the world go ROUND.
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Thanks to all who Put In Their 2 CENTS...for a 50 Cent Newspaper!


One more thing, kiss your wife goodnight for me and tell her not to forget to WASH MY BOXERS I STASHED UNDER YOUR BED.

I've helped mentor several in house techs.

I have no problem doing that, and it has not effected my income adversely. In fact, I firmly believe that my willingness to help has increased my call volumes form those chains.

In house techs usually wind up learning on the job, in my experience. Some become top notch techs, the kind that cna braze in sightglasses without melting them, and others don't.

Originally posted by NedFlanders
S.R. is doin' the same thing here . They bring them up their way.

It's all about the bottom line.

I know. That's one of my beefs with 'em. They get hired to run convenience stores but end up in a market opening this, dumping that, turning the other.

But at S.R there are also some very experienced guys that you can two-way for some advice. That way you don't have to come to a forum for an answer after the day is over.

cozy climates
And as far as learning from the warranty company? Not likely. We do main call and backup call for the chains here in town. It is not in our best interest (dead benjamins) to "teach" in house staff when we run into them. As far as I'm concerned the less they know, the more bling-bling I get. But in this forum I will help if I can cuz that's what I'm here for, too.

1 - Thermodynamics Wrench
1 set - Thermodynamics Gauges w/ Yellow Thermodynamics Hoses
1 - Multi Voltage Thermodynamics Meter

That oughta do it. Bring on the E2

HA HA...you guys are getting too serious.

Good luck with your new job.

FUNNY! LOL and four more years for sure.

Re: Think about it...

Originally posted by cozy climates
Bryan>

...like I said before I know Thermodynamics....

No Worries George Dubayahoo Kerry will send ya a "Too Bad" card in the mail!

CoZy

Let's see...

MODERN REFRIGERATION AND AIR CONDITIONING

TOOL LIST

1 - Thermodynamics Wrench
1 set - Thermodynamics Gauges w/ Yellow Thermodynamics Hoses
1 - Multi Voltage Thermodynamics Meter

That oughta do it. Bring on the E2

HA HA...you guys are getting too serious.

Good luck with your new job.

Oh, and.....

FOUR MORE YEARS !!

Think about it...

Bryan>

Do Not jump to conclusions. What you read here is just a fraction of the way things are. You are right I don't have Supermarket experience, but like I said before I know Thermodynamics & have proven myself to be not only very skilled but also a quick learner. That's why I am reading and researching as much as possible BEFORE I get my position in March. Plus I'll be like an apprentice for a couple years...are things a little more clear for ya Bryan.

Look, if you are insecure, have issues with your 7-day itch, or just plain Dubya...DON'T GET UP IN MY SHIT ABOUT IT! ASTA FOOLIO.

No Worries George Dubayahoo Kerry will send ya a "Too Bad" card in the mail!

CoZy

So you wanna be a market man?

Cozy you ask questions the way a marketing researcher does.

If you’re serious? Hang on Tight, you’re in for a hell of a ride.

Re: Answer.

Originally posted by cozy climates

because I exceed expectations, drive new & innovative ideas forward, and save them $$$!

You dont have ANY experiance with racks or Control systems yet you "Exceed Expectations" (that says ALLOT for targets standards)

And you will save them $$$? Somehow I doubt that, more likely you will end up costing them more $$$ than you save.

Good luck and I hope you the best.

Originally posted by jerrycoolsaz
Don't take this the wrong way, but why is Target taking on guys fresh out of school and throwing them into rack refrigeration?

S.R. is doin' the same thing here . They bring them up their way.

It's all about the bottom line.

Answer.

Well actually I'll be using a warranty vendor for most of the repairs for the first year while I "soak up" all that I can about these rack systems. I understand thermodyamics...it's all just a matter of time now to learn the configuration of the Zero ZOne with E2 controllers.

So do you have any advice about the Zero Zone or Einstein2?


But to answer your question, Target wants me (fresh out of school) because I exceed expectations, drive new & innovative ideas forward, and save them $$$!


So if you have a position to offer me starting not less than $21.75 ph, I'll review my options and get back to you.





Thanks,

<> CoZy CliMaTes...at yer service! <>

[Edited by cozy climates on 10-19-2004 at 01:37 AM]

Don't take this the wrong way, but why is Target taking on guys fresh out of school and throwing them into rack refrigeration?

Super Target

Do you remember the Target store numbers? Or what city, state?

We just finished 3 Super Targets here in town. They have Zero Zone racks w/Einstein 2 controllers and Electronic EPR's. How do you guys like the Einstein 2? I think they are a lot easier to read and its pretty easy to navigate through. Also talked to one of the Target in-house fellers, he was also going to Refr. School. Sounds like I need to hit em' up for a better job.

This is exactly the reply I was looking for!! THANKS MUDLEY!

This is exactly the reply I was looking for!! THANKS MUDLEY!

I have a GREAT mentor his name is Harry C. When he speaks, I listen attentively. I am building a refernce binder with various service/installation manuals, wiring diagrams, charts, etc...I've learned a lot in Refrigeration School but I know it's going to take years of hands on experience to become a true Refrigeration Tech. Even then, with technology changing as fast as it does, I'll be learning more & more through out my life.

Surrounding oneself with the needed resources to effectively execute (or to foresee) a problem situation in a timely manner is the KEY to becoming a SUPER refrigeration-tech!!!


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Thermodynamics has taken over my LIFE!! And I love IT!!

Welcome to the wonderful world of refrigeration.

I am now retired after over 30 years of design, sales, service and repair. I spent most of my time doing commercial and industrial refrigeration, including a lot of ammonia refrigeration, but dipped into all phases of a/c and refrigeration as well. I loved every minute of it.

Throughout my career, every time I opened a box with a part in it, I saved the included paperwork and read every word. I would stick it in my back pocket for later reading if I could not read it then. I didn't understand a lot of it in the beginning but as time went on, I learned from my reading. I would find something I did not understand and I would look it up and learn about it.

I also saved old parts, took them apart and studied them. My wife could not understand why I was bringing home old, greasy parts and dismantling them on the kitchen table. You need a good woman if you are a refer man. I was lucky, the third time.

Don't spend you life being a "parts changer". Get into the heart of every system and learn how it actually works and how it would be affected under certain scenarios.

I was very intimidated the first time I saw a Hussmann slave system or Tyler racks. But, if you took a bit of time to understand what the purpose was of the systems, they made sense and became very logical.

I wish you lots of luck and fun. I had a blast whether I was working on a walk-in, a 200 ton a day ice plant, IQF systems, ice cream blast freezers or a -100 deg evironmental chamber.


[Edited by mudley on 10-17-2004 at 05:53 PM]

Good luck to ya cozy, those racks are going to need experienced care if they're to stay shiny nice. Find a good mentor and follow him around late at night. Thats what i'm doing!

410 is not something special. It is a new air conditioning refrigerantthat has been mandated that we all change over to by the year .. something something.
It is just one more reason engineers need to have their balls cut off and shoved down their necks.


(did I say THAT?)

R-404 is a long term replacement blend refrigerant for low temp applications like R-502 used to be.

From what I gather, there are some really good manuals on installation of piping, load sizing and installing some ... "some" market equipment.
And then there are those of us here who have been priveledged to work on a makert from time to time.
Then there's the guys who do this stuff day in and day out.

Tools ... I got news for ya, there is NOT LIST adequate enough to describe all the tools your gonna need to use in order to do what is done.

The list I collected of just what these guys carry in their tool box, tool bucket or tool pouch ... it fills half a page!
And that's with small print!
And that's JUST what we carry in our tool bag!
Plus cordless, plus gages, plus specialty meters such as leak sniffers, anemometers, etc.

I can provide you with the list of what everyone in general carries. This will servce you very well.
Plus figure your gonna need a good half inch socket set and ratchet with some extensions.
Same for 3/8", of course.
Then your gonna need all sorts of wrenches. All sorts.
Your pretty much safe to buy anything in site until you start collecting duplicates.

I agree 100% ! I just need some "time-in". Thanks for the input. It's nice to know some people can use there brain.

*What is the difference berween R-410a & R-404a ? Why is 410 so special??

I find the measure of a good Fridge Mechanic is not to "Fix" the problems, but to notice the small signs of a problem in the making rather than fixing the effect and not the true cause. Finding and repairing the cause is NOT something you learn online or for that fact in ANY school. School will give you the Basics and teach you how to approach systems. The eventual ability to look "Inside" a system without actually looking at anything other than the system vitals and know where the REAL issues are is what seperates the wanabe parts changers to the true "Mechanics".

WHAT UP COOLIO?

Thanks for the info MCCOOL. Where abouts in the country do you live? And how long have been in refrigeration? And yes, Target Building services offers a Great Job with fair wages. I'm determined to "soak up" any knowledge that will help me understand how and why supermarket set-ups work. So when they stop working, I'll be able to fix it right.

Thanks again for replying MC!