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Originally Posted by aircooled53

Goodman is ok equipment if it's installed properly,just wait till you have to deal with warranty issues. Stick with Amana.

Ingersoll/Rand ain't holding Trane up are they..

I saw some of there trucks I.R. control division at Trane Thursday.

OH, I forgot. I/R bought out trane, OH, BOY.
I hope for the best, but lets see how they plan on handling the HVACR side of their company. I know from experience from some of the refrigerated wharehouses that use their genorators that their service side sucks and is slow.
Like I said, never had a problem with Trane, but now that I have seen othercolors of green, I went over the fence. Ha, Ha.
Next thing you know, Kohler will be answering the phone for American Standard.
No hard feelings, just a thought.

Originally Posted by PaysonHVAC

The disconnect (and being the OLD on at that) can't be behind the unit. THAT is against code.

Not too mention DRINKING ON THE JOB!

Because there is no way a sober person installed that cover like that and though it LOOKED good!



Mark, you got to LOVE the night and day difference in the installs!

Your install: TRANE

Their install: GOODMAN

Your Install: Nice and neat, all new electrical, whip, disconnect, etc and the straight line set cover.

Their Install: GOODMAN (got to list that one TWICE), old disconnect, etc... and that line set cover... which is slanted for some odd reason.

Goodman didn't install that unit or cover.

Originally Posted by aircooled53

Goodman is ok equipment if it's installed properly,just wait till you have to deal with warranty issues. Stick with Amana.

Ingersoll/Rand ain't holding Trane up are they..

I saw some of there trucks I.R. control division at Trane Thursday.

What do you mean "just wait till you have to deal with warranty issues"?

Originally Posted by mark beiser

Well, we did just become a Goodmana dealer, soo....

Gonna be an interesting summer. Trane already has such a broad product selection that it is confusing to customers if I give to many options.

Now we will also have Amana products, boss isn't sure if he wants to sell any Goodman brand, and we will be offering the Tappan line of IQ drive stuff.

Goodman is ok equipment if it's installed properly,just wait till you have to deal with warranty issues. Stick with Amana.

Ingersoll/Rand ain't holding Trane up are they..

I saw some of there trucks I.R. control division at Trane Thursday.

When I lived down FLA I worked for two companies. One sold and installed Carrier and Trane, as well as some of their counterparts (cheaper brands). The other sold Trane. Worked there for about ten years.
I moved up here to KY and got a job with a company that sells and installs Luxaire. I was skeptical of the quality of both the equipment and the company, because of the equipment sold.
It will be two years in July and I have to say, " I am quite surprised at the quality of Luxaire." Their control boards are intelligent and the engineering is descent. Some of the higher efficiency units i think are more quite than that of Trane or Carrier, especially the 410a units.
I still like Trane and wish we sold them, but there are already too many dealers in the area. Besides this company has been around since the 50's.
To round things up, I believe for a system to work right. It needs to have strong roots (meaning, duct install to start up and as well as proper maintenance). I see it as the same of a tree, if it is starved of certain things and can't grow proper roots. It cannot keep up with the time and will soon fail in time. Starve the air flow and kill the compressor, no oil return kill the compressor, etc.
For the most part all of our equipment is built with the same parts (Parker, Sporlan, Alco), and under the same direction of the large companies (Carrier, Trane). But some find their way out and become a competitor of the big guys,(Tempstar, used to be a counterpart of Carrier). Now they are their own entity.
Now that I get to play with all kinds of equipment I get to see the downfall or troubles of other manufacturers, and they all ( I mean, ALL) have their flaws. It is how we react to them, that will show the out come of their existence.
I apologize for the rant, carry on gentlemen.
reeper,

I know didnt mean to rouse ya. just a joke since I have installed Goodman for about 10 years now. In my area I do see some of the scariest installers more often @ my goodman supplier than I do other suppleirs

Originally Posted by sasquatch

do these pics. say anything about goodman dealers vs. trane dealers?

No its doesn't!

It says something about proper installation verse improper, brand has nothing to do with it!

do these pics. say anything about goodman dealers vs. trane dealers?

Originally Posted by weber

Come on Mark, we know which one you really installed!!!

Well, we did just become a Goodmana dealer, soo....

Gonna be an interesting summer. Trane already has such a broad product selection that it is confusing to customers if I give to many options.

Now we will also have Amana products, boss isn't sure if he wants to sell any Goodman brand, and we will be offering the Tappan line of IQ drive stuff.

Originally Posted by sprintmj19

Hey Mark, did you make that up in your shop or is that commercially available? Looks nice! I only do boilers and Fuji ductless, and the LineHide looks kinda crappy on some older homes. Looks like what you have there would be an alternative.

M&M metal manufacturing supplies them in 10ft lengths to most of our local HVAC supply houses. They come with a primer coat on them like that, and I we can order them in custom sizes. They have sheets or rolls of metal that already have primer on both sides for making stuff like that.
I have seen them in other sheet metal manufacturers catalogs, from other parts of the country, so it isn't unique to M&M.

Maybe the guy is crosseyed When I use to live in Indiana that was what we used also.

Come on Mark, we know which one you really installed!!!

Hey Mark, did you make that up in your shop or is that commercially available? Looks nice! I only do boilers and Fuji ductless, and the LineHide looks kinda crappy on some older homes. Looks like what you have there would be an alternative.

nice

A real craftsman there, lol. We install the same type of lineset covers(pre-primed), and straight.

We don't need no stink'n level! Man.

We install GOOD(hack)MAN...

Maybe the HO asked for the French Twist?

Originally Posted by jeremy-lvhm

janitrash

Don't you mean "junkitrol"?

I think the Goodmans just fine. The guys house is in the wrong place! Move the house over a few feet. Jeeeze

I agree with Payson.

Not that I'm a trane fan but your install was done proffesionally and the goodman was installed by a HACK. What needs to be done is the manufactururs need to get involved and talk to the distributor and contractor that installed this POS. And I am sure the inside unit is just as lovely. This type of work done by lowball, low rate contractors is what makes us all look expensive and unreasonable when you quote a higher price to a customer.

This is the big reason that goodman and janitrash got the rep they did and it still continues till this day for some. And the cheap a$$ customers dont help either.

There were no code violations in this install

There were no code violations commited in that install at all. Now given that it's a Goodman and had he installed the lineset and cover straight, with a new disconnect....then there would have been at least 8 code violations involved there not to mention one already I see in violation .....he used a pad under that Goodman unit....yer supposed to set them suckers right on the dert.
Now Trane on the other hand....you have to have it perfect and straight.....if not....that violates all codes