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Public opinion isnt really relevant.Not all employees and employers are a good match.You guys didn't hit it off.Good luck to both of you in your searches.

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Originally Posted by 21degrees

I spoke this guy on the phone and told him what to do. I have had 2 americans come to work and they applied after him. People that are serious don't take their time. I will continue to hire local and accross Canada and U.S.
I just did not expect him to say what he said about me. The guy from florida went home for 2 weeks at christmas and is now back to work and is a total asset to my company. We will probably be extending his Visa as long as we can and as long as he wants to stay.

I beg to differ here sir. When I inquired about attaining a work visa you couldn't tell me anything about the process or where to go to to get one. Sorry to say but I don't run the U.S. State Department or Homeland Security who ever is in charge of processing Passport applications. Given the fact that you couldn't give me any information about the work visa what do you think I spent more time on? I won't cross any border unless I have the proper legal documents completed. So please don't go ripping on me and stating I took my time. The proper thing you should have done was asked first about having the paper work done before offering any job. Right? I know one thing for certain I'll never work for someone who can't keep their word. Now I'm very much considering posting your email correspondence and letting everyone read it and judge for them self.

Do you have any suggestions when it comes to what area of AB is best? Would it be better to stay in the Southern end or further North. Could you recommend some of the better places to live and work (Calgary,Lethbridge, Med Hat, Bonnyville, Grand Prarie?? would you have a preference) I have also heard that Saskatchewan is starting to take off as well, maybe I should just go there instead??

I also have to figure out how I go about changing my Ontario G2 to a Alberta Class B

It is slowing down

[QUOTE=73Stingray;2420672]
Companies are slowing down. My brother just came out from Ontario in Nov and could not find work. I did put him to work for a bit but need experience guys. He is gone back now. Could not find much work in his field oil patch.

Hey 21...I am in the planning stages of heading out there in mid to late March...Is that too late, or do they still have openings out there at that time??? I don't have the 2 years experience yet, so I couldn't come work for you I guess, but I have been contacted by a recruiter to move out West and I have been told by some others who have been there that with or without going through a recruiter I will find a good job relatively easily. Does this sound true or should I stick with the recruiter? I am definitely going out there either way, just not sure if I should take them up on it or go it alone. I think they may want a 1 or 2 year contract (or else repay some or a portion of a relocation allowance). I would be Ok even without a relocation allowance that is why I am considering going it alone. I would prefer to work 6 days a week, 50 or 60 hours a week and then take one long weekend a month off to fly back to Ontario.

Hey thanks alot

Originally Posted by Armament

Don't let the ungrateful apprenty's dismay you from posting good sir. You seem like a very down to earth individual. If my boss keeps sending me (2nd year apprentice) to bang off $20,000 jobs solo I might yet still be joining you LOL

Don't let the internet keyboard warriors elevate your blood pressure.

It just gets fustrating when guys come on here and call you down, when all we are trying to do is get decent employees who want to stay in the business and work. I have brought in so many new guys and as soon as things get tuff, their gone like the BOOM!

I was willing to hire him

Originally Posted by beenthere

Its the internet.
If your interested in a job thats posted on the internet. And it involves crossing borders. There's gonna be paper work.
More then one person has not been hired because a company needed a person quicker then that person could/would start.

I spoke this guy on the phone and told him what to do. I have had 2 americans come to work and they applied after him. People that are serious don't take their time. I will continue to hire local and accross Canada and U.S.
I just did not expect him to say what he said about me. The guy from florida went home for 2 weeks at christmas and is now back to work and is a total asset to my company. We will probably be extending his Visa as long as we can and as long as he wants to stay.

Originally Posted by 21degrees

Do give me that ****. You had ample time to get this stuff done and you didn't have the balls to even phone me back. With the attitude you have I hope it takes you another year. You don't know the first thing about hiring people.

To everyone else that comes on here *****ing about what I am doing, if you don't like the job posting look elsewhere. I will not be posting anymore jobs on this site because to many people have nothing but time to complain about anything.

Don't let the ungrateful apprenty's dismay you from posting good sir. You seem like a very down to earth individual. If my boss keeps sending me (2nd year apprentice) to bang off $20,000 jobs solo I might yet still be joining you LOL

Don't let the internet keyboard warriors elevate your blood pressure.

[QUOTE=wescoman;2409872 Makes a job offer and knows very well I as a U.S. citizen cannot cross that border unless I have a Passport and the proper paper work done. Now he's wasted my time and money. I have every right to be PO'd! You bet![/QUOTE]

Its the internet.

If your interested in a job thats posted on the internet. And it involves crossing borders. There's gonna be paper work.

More then one person has not been hired because a company needed a person quicker then that person could/would start.

[QUOTE=nick982002;2410572]It costs alot of money to live in alberta foods really expensive. Mostly because when you work at mcdonalds they pay there workers 12 dollars an hour some one bedroom places will run you about 1000 dollars a month and edmonton is really boring.If you can stand it do it.If your young do it.It's not even that cold i was walking around in my shorts at -12.Edmontons one of those places that porbably wont slow down.To make good money in alberta you need a fly in fly out job.[/

Give your head a shake

Originally Posted by wescoman

"jumpimping" that's what I'm finding prevalent in the HVAC/R industry as I look around and it just isn't myself who sees this going on. People like myself and others who can't get their foot in the door because of it.

The employer 21degrees wasted his time with this person not to mention the expense of doing the paperwork. Then again he comes on this board posting he needs the help right away .... can't wait ... and gets just what he deserves. I can't say I feel the least bit sorry. Makes a job offer and knows very well I as a U.S. citizen cannot cross that border unless I have a Passport and the proper paper work done. Now he's wasted my time and money. I have every right to be PO'd! You bet!

Do give me that ****. You had ample time to get this stuff done and you didn't have the balls to even phone me back. With the attitude you have I hope it takes you another year. You don't know the first thing about hiring people.

To everyone else that comes on here *****ing about what I am doing, if you don't like the job posting look elsewhere. I will not be posting anymore jobs on this site because to many people have nothing but time to complain about anything.

Originally Posted by wescoman

"jumpimping" that's what I'm finding prevalent in the HVAC/R industry as I look around and it just isn't myself who sees this going on. People like myself and others who can't get their foot in the door because of it.

The employer 21degrees wasted his time with this person not to mention the expense of doing the paperwork. Then again he comes on this board posting he needs the help right away .... can't wait ... and gets just what he deserves. I can't say I feel the least bit sorry. Makes a job offer and knows very well I as a U.S. citizen cannot cross that border unless I have a Passport and the proper paper work done. Now he's wasted my time and money. I have every right to be PO'd! You bet!

You knew what you were getting into abviously wherever you are you have no work or you wouldnt have asked.If you wanna make the big bucks you have to make sacrifices.It isnt that hard to get a work visa either they were pretty much giving them away 6 months ago in order to get people to work in alberta.

It costs alot of money to live in alberta foods really expensive. Mostly because when you work at mcdonalds they pay there workers 12 dollars an hour some one bedroom places will run you about 1000 dollars a month and edmonton is really boring.If you can stand it do it.If your young do it.It's not even that cold i was walking around in my shorts at -12.Edmontons one of those places that porbably wont slow down.To make good money in alberta you need a fly in fly out job.

"jumpimping" that's what I'm finding prevalent in the HVAC/R industry as I look around and it just isn't myself who sees this going on. People like myself and others who can't get their foot in the door because of it.

The employer 21degrees wasted his time with this person not to mention the expense of doing the paperwork. Then again he comes on this board posting he needs the help right away .... can't wait ... and gets just what he deserves. I can't say I feel the least bit sorry. Makes a job offer and knows very well I as a U.S. citizen cannot cross that border unless I have a Passport and the proper paper work done. Now he's wasted my time and money. I have every right to be PO'd! You bet!

Originally Posted by wescoman

How unfortunate. I showed interest back in Nov. when you were looking for help. Sometimes it pays to wait until some of us can make arrangements to come up there instead of jumping on the first person who comes along and interview people before you hire. Guys like that make it difficult for some of us really interested in making a career out of this field starting out. What a pu$$ for quiting for that reason.

Alberta isn't exactly the Warmest area on earth . I live on the East coast (Nova-Scotia) and it gets bitter here. Alberta is just haywire.

I was really considering making my way out to work for 21 degrees when I got laid off back in September (company owners split). I had my car packed and was ready to roll. Had to wait for apprenticeship paperwork to clear and my old boss convinced me to stay and work for him....and here I am.

Not Really

Originally Posted by wescoman

How unfortunate. I showed interest back in Nov. when you were looking for help. Sometimes it pays to wait until some of us can make arrangements to come up there instead of jumping on the first person who comes along and interview people before you hire. Guys like that make it difficult for some of us really interested in making a career out of this field starting out. What a pu$$ for quiting for that reason.

When you own a business it is hard to wait for anybody. Attitude is about the best thing I look for in a interview. You can't tell by a interview if the guy is going to work out and stay. I am getting lots of resumes, about 4 a day and have hired a very good installer so far. My other guys have picked it up a notch. I don't think I will have a problem finding 1 maybe 2 more guys. Just not jumpimping on the first guy that says he got experience.

Originally Posted by 21degrees

The other guy from Chicago did not last, could not stand the cold.

How unfortunate. I showed interest back in Nov. when you were looking for help. Sometimes it pays to wait until some of us can make arrangements to come up there instead of jumping on the first person who comes along and interview people before you hire. Guys like that make it difficult for some of us really interested in making a career out of this field starting out. What a pu$$ for quiting for that reason.

Thanks Arpa

Originally Posted by ARPA

Hmm,

I know that good techs are very hard to find, good luck 21..

Just got 2 new guys with experience. Should help. 2 weeks in mexico put me back almost a month. 2 big jobs on the go and service is nuts right now.

Hmm,

I have been to Japan, numerous times, and have one of the largest HVAC companies doing alot of work for me there, and at $27.50 per hour, their going rate there.

I also have the same in Mexico City, and there the base rate for HVAC is $35.00 per hour.

This is not what they pay their techs, but what I hire the company to do work for me at these two locations.

And as ST stated, you both need to calm down...

I also send about 12 calls a month to LDI in Alberta. I have been to their location about 4 times in the last 3 years to give training.

I know that good techs are very hard to find, good luck 21..