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Guess the compressor became a water pump and had enough oil to keep lubricated. Thats alot of H20! Is the ground still cool down there? That thing was just being a geothermal hybrid. It's a new bread came about by a F-^. Just joking
Good find, nice way to handle it, by the book. And yes, you should post it. Just to see what others could say about it.

Originally Posted by reepersteve

My bad, O-tech. I didn't finnish, after they get done with the paint. The guys with the H20 get to start spraying again to add another inch of ice.

And if they do bull doze that place, I will be surprised. but if so, yes, I'm sure some one will cash in.

Any more stories of Cu thief to speak of in your neck of town?

I just figured that the ice would have to be more than an inch to hold up to the abuse of hockey and such.

We haven't gotten any more vandalism calls lately but I do have a jewel to show you.

I should post these in a seperate thread but what the hell:



The bottle on the left is from one of the oil changes to clean up a Trane XR12 heatpump system that had sucked water into the suction line due to loss of charge and no pressure cutouts. I think the system ran a week before the HO shut it down. The bottle on the right is the scrolls oil charge. Can you say milkshake.


This is another vac pump oil change.

I think before it was all over I had to change the oil in my pump 4 times, purge my manifold w/ nitro to dry it out after the repair, change the scrolls oil, blow the evap coil w/ nitro until water quit spraying out of it, change the lineset, try to purge the condenser as much as possible without cutting every piece of tubing out of it, bypass the factory drier, typical suction and LL driers and then cut them out and just add a new LL drier, and an overnight 14 hour vacuum pull.

Yes I know that it would've been better to replace the whole CU/ lineset and try to dry out the evap but they have two systems and already had this happen to one of them and asked us to try and save it with no guarantees on life expectancy. They used a fly-by nighter out of the paper on the other one. Typical 13 seer goodman that was sold to the HO as a variable speed unit and they didn't even install a heat strip to boot because they couldn't figure out how to get the heater to quit running in cool mode( which I think was caused by a faulty thermostat and the fact that they didn't wire the stat right. we replaced both stats because the HO wanted new ones).

The original units were the 12 seer heatpumps with VS AHU. Not only did this happen but the original installers used a honeywell elite media filter box that was too small for the system by about 3 to 4 inches. They made it work by using 1/2 inch plywood on top of the filter box to adapt it to the AHU base. The HO had foil taped every service cover shut in an effort to keep it from singing and sucking in hot garage air. Part of the problems with the leaks was due to the service cover screws were not installed properly either or missing. I wish I had a digital manometer to take a reading of it in action.

The guess as to how the original suction leak happened is that cheap thin wall copper was used and either a hole corroded in it or the lineset wasn't insulated through the whole length of the chase and it rubbed a hole in itself. When this happened, tasty pipe chase fluids were sucked in until the unit was shut off. I suspect that about a quart of water in total was removed from that system. I couldn't get it all out either. Most of it came out but not all due to time. Boss only really priced it to change out the lineset and do a minor cleanup, not to suck out a river of water. We ended up getting some more work out of them before it was all over and also instantly got a referral from them as well so it all worked out. This cleanup was done a couple of weeks ago and to date it's still kicking. Presures looked decent too but the head guage was showing the signs of non-condensables. The unit was only 3 to 4 years old too. I betcha over half of the life of the unit was robbed out of it.

The amazing thing to me is the fact that it was pumping a water vapor milkshake nonstop and it didn't kill the windings or lock that thing up. I think it should be put in a museum or something.

Enjoy.

My bad, O-tech. I didn't finnish, after they get done with the paint. The guys with the H20 get to start spraying again to add another inch of ice.

And if they do bull doze that place, I will be surprised. but if so, yes, I'm sure some one will cash in.

Any more stories of Cu thief to speak of in your neck of town?

Originally Posted by reepersteve

NRG you got it. 8 years of it for me. From rough to trim to start up, residential to new residential to commercial. My roots came from there. Lots of outstanding people work there, (in the field). Lots of stuff to learn.
Stink, you got it too. They do all 7-11's in FL and most else were. They are world wide and look for companies to take over. (the ones that need work)

The O-town arena floor took over 36 hours to freeze. They drop the floor temp to about 26*F for about 24 hours. Then they start spraying H20 finely off the back of a golf cart of some sort. Round and around they go until an inch thick. They have a contract with two guys from Canada whom paint the floor white and hand draw the lines as well as the team characters. With either a two or four inch brush.
I can't seem to remember the Refer we used in the system, I think it was 502. I do remember the six compressors, two per stand, three stands wide. A loud room as you can imagine, with a large control panel, to display the different temps.

If anyone can get that scrap copper they deserved it. It is under a great deal of concrete. Good Luck!!!

I thought the ice was thicker than an inch. The Magic are supposed to be getting another arena to play out of since they have outgrown the old one you speak of. I don't know if they are going to bulldoze the old one or turn it into a convention center or not. If they do demo it some body will be cashing it in. Too bad it ain't me.

Originally Posted by orlandotech

EA or NRG. I thought they were located in apopka. At least the last time I went through there on 441 it was.

I don't think they care if you say who you work for here. Some companies wouldn't like it if they knew their employees were posting pics from jobs and such so some guys on here try to post anonymously.

I think I know the " stink " co you speak of. I think they have a big service contract with a lot of the 7-11 stores in town.

So you serviced and operated the O-rena floor chiller huh or were you one of the guys who installed it? I bet it was fun to play with that thing. How long did it take to freeze it over? 17 miles of copper is a heluva lot of scrap money.

NRG you got it. 8 years of it for me. From rough to trim to start up, residential to new residential to commercial. My roots came from there. Lots of outstanding people work there, (in the field). Lots of stuff to learn.
Stink, you got it too. They do all 7-11's in FL and most else were. They are world wide and look for companies to take over. (the ones that need work)

The O-town arena floor took over 36 hours to freeze. They drop the floor temp to about 26*F for about 24 hours. Then they start spraying H20 finely off the back of a golf cart of some sort. Round and around they go until an inch thick. They have a contract with two guys from Canada whom paint the floor white and hand draw the lines as well as the team characters. With either a two or four inch brush.
I can't seem to remember the Refer we used in the system, I think it was 502. I do remember the six compressors, two per stand, three stands wide. A loud room as you can imagine, with a large control panel, to display the different temps.

If anyone can get that scrap copper they deserved it. It is under a great deal of concrete. Good Luck!!!

Originally Posted by reepersteve

You've been around long enough there in O town. It was EA, that should be enough of a hint. ( I don't think we are supposed to advertise here) Pretty good company, from the inside looking out, the grass always looks greener. If they would have realized what I was worth to them I would still be around there. Commercial piping was fun to me. I left there after eight long years of feild training to go to another company of the letters LC and rymes with stink. Pay was great, learning expieriance was great, O-town branch has issues.
Anyone here ever froze the floor of an Arena before, for a hockey game and the Star Scapade? I did, 600 ton chiller, 17 miles of copper, and alot of standing time. O-town Arena 05'.

EA or NRG. I thought they were located in apopka. At least the last time I went through there on 441 it was.

I don't think they care if you say who you work for here. Some companies wouldn't like it if they knew their employees were posting pics from jobs and such so some guys on here try to post anonymously.

I think I know the " stink " co you speak of. I think they have a big service contract with a lot of the 7-11 stores in town.

So you serviced and operated the O-rena floor chiller huh or were you one of the guys who installed it? I bet it was fun to play with that thing. How long did it take to freeze it over? 17 miles of copper is a heluva lot of scrap money.

I mapquested the addy you posted but I can't remember what co. is on the corner of kaley and 441. I was thinking Ferran but they are on the other side of I-4 from there. So who did you used to work for over here reeper? Maybe we crossed paths in the supplyhouse one day. I've been in the trade since the summer of '01.

You've been around long enough there in O town. It was EA, that should be enough of a hint. ( I don't think we are supposed to advertise here) Pretty good company, from the inside looking out, the grass always looks greener. If they would have realized what I was worth to them I would still be around there. Commercial piping was fun to me. I left there after eight long years of feild training to go to another company of the letters LC and rymes with stink. Pay was great, learning expieriance was great, O-town branch has issues.
Anyone here ever froze the floor of an Arena before, for a hockey game and the Star Scapade? I did, 600 ton chiller, 17 miles of copper, and alot of standing time. O-town Arena 05'.

Originally Posted by reepersteve

4god and you own pits?


I think I figured that out on my own a long time ago.

I was just wondering. It seamed to make people think when I started doing that back in the 90's. Next thing I now the company started doing it one by one. Before that it was just throw the pipe in there and fire it up. That bend was like my signiture move, and that is how poeple new I set the equiptment, and that there was a easy start up in the making.
The company is still one of the largest in you part of FL. I am still wodering if I know you, and the company I worked for is down the street from this job.
2114 SOBT. If you have already told me, well I have bad memory withnames and faces. I appolagize.

Signature move. I like that. I figured it makes it look cleaner to do sweep offsets than to use fittings. Besides, trying to get two or more 3/8 90's or 45's to behave long enough to braze them in is a PITA unless you pinch them with channellocks a little. F that I can bend a sweep quicker that it takes to cook the offset in. The only " signature " move I have if you wanna call it that is to use my spring bender to make offsets and 90's. The minimal amount of fittings is the way I pipe stuff in if I can help it. If I had a swedge tool like the nice Ridgid S1 model I wouldn't hardly have to use fittings at all.

I mapquested the addy you posted but I can't remember what co. is on the corner of kaley and 441. I was thinking Ferran but they are on the other side of I-4 from there. So who did you used to work for over here reeper? Maybe we crossed paths in the supplyhouse one day. I've been in the trade since the summer of '01.

Originally Posted by luv2cruiserccl

thats sad. They must of not of been to smart this cause they could of took some of the copper lines and made some money. Stupid ppl i guess its job security for hvac people.

Matter of fact they, as far as I know, took none of it. The coil was stashed around the side of the building and the little bit of copper tubes that are in a straight cool Trane were on the ground right next to the basepan. So I believe they got scared off by police or something and maybe planned on coming back. I hid all of the loose stuff in a equipment cage nearby so they wouldn't get it.

Originally Posted by rickwm228

Poor Trane unit. stupid tweekers.

Yes lately the meth heads have ramped up theft efforts in the area at least to the point that we are getting some of the repair work. Some of that work is somewhat keeping us busy in times where it's slow otherwise.

Poor Trane unit. stupid tweekers.

thats sad. They must of not of been to smart this cause they could of took some of the copper lines and made some money. Stupid ppl i guess its job security for hvac people.

Originally Posted by Hvacman4God

It aint that bad up here in Orange Park, but I would hate for some meth head to make the turn heading for one of my units disregarding the warning signs and get eaten by one of my pit bulls.

4god and you own pits?


I think I figured that out on my own a long time ago.

I was just wondering. It seamed to make people think when I started doing that back in the 90's. Next thing I now the company started doing it one by one. Before that it was just throw the pipe in there and fire it up. That bend was like my signiture move, and that is how poeple new I set the equiptment, and that there was a easy start up in the making.
The company is still one of the largest in you part of FL. I am still wodering if I know you, and the company I worked for is down the street from this job.
2114 SOBT. If you have already told me, well I have bad memory withnames and faces. I appolagize.

It aint that bad up here in Orange Park, but I would hate for some meth head to make the turn heading for one of my units disregarding the warning signs and get eaten by one of my pit bulls.

Originally Posted by reepersteve

Nice job O-tech. Great recovery and display. You know how to work, man.
You said something about a parifit wall and more units to do, have fun.
Til' next time, great job
reeper
P.S. Where did you learn to bend the liquid line like that? Just wondering, please give reply.

Reeper are you talking about this:




I think I figured that out on my own a long time ago. It makes sense to me instead of using fittings to make it hit the service valve, I will just use a swept offset, bend the 3/8" line on a larger radius than the suction line, or start the bend later/ higher than the suction line. This is in soft of course. I can do really mild offsets in hard 3/8" without cooking the temper out of it. I figured that it's better for the flow of the refer to make turns in long sweeps or offsets rather than using fittings.

yeah we are just going to be moving this one next to some 10 ton splits that are already in front of the building after the wall goes up. It shouldn't be too bad though.

Thanks for the comments man.

Nice job O-tech. Great recovery and display. You know how to work, man.
You said something about a parifit wall and more units to do, have fun.
Til' next time, great job
reeper
P.S. Where did you learn to bend the liquid line like that? Just wondering, please give reply.

Originally Posted by RyanHughes

Do you have any pics of the new installation?

Yep here's the link to the thread in the WOP. I think it turned out OK.


http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....14#post1858414

Do you have any pics of the new installation?

looks like it put up a helluva fight in the bushes before they gave up and ran away. Must be one of the new cage fighter condensers TAPOUT!!

Originally Posted by RyanHughes

I'm sure you'll do another nice install. You can probably just replace the outdoor unit to match the indoor unit I assume? This can't be fun to deal with, especially when you've worked on and installed the unit. I bet it was tough to find. Looks like it was an XR12 or XR13.

Yeah I was shocked to find it like that especailly since I had just checked out the day before. We will do an exact replacement. It was a Trane XR13, 4ton, straight cool. It should happen next week and when it does I will post a link in here for the WOP thread.

I'm sure you'll do another nice install. You can probably just replace the outdoor unit to match the indoor unit I assume? This can't be fun to deal with, especially when you've worked on and installed the unit. I bet it was tough to find. Looks like it was an XR12 or XR13.

Originally Posted by reepersteve

Well lets see, I left in 06' so I am guessing around late 05'. I couldn't believe it took place either. There was some large equipment up there.
They scaled the wall some how and ninja-ed their way through the night. I hung out around Thirteenth St. on many occasions with the brothers and that place don't seem to sleep, especially the cops. If I can remember it was done on like a Sunday night when school was operating the next morning.
That tweeker ninja dust will make you able to do some stealthy sh!t.
I guess staying up for a couple of 24 hour periods at a time you could plan just about anything.
I can't professionally say that I've tried the stuff, but if you have enough time to plan, it's all good!

(Hey, off topic. I just saw gauges for 417,422a and 422d. I am not familiar with that refer. Dealt with a lot of different stuff but that don't ring a bell.)

Any way that was a heist that always comes to mind when I hear about Cu theft, being a piper at heart.

That's a new one. HA HA! ninja dust. You crack me up man.

I think that the 417, 422a and d are low/med temp juice. The 417a is supposed to be a drop-in for 22 in process cooling or refer boxes.