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Ive seen one of the E super boosts on a old 1hp semi herm for a true up right freezer. The shelling was cracked open and full of baby cockroaches. electrical taped up to the comp's junction box. Still ran that way too! Little dive in mexi joint. It was horrifying in that kitchen tbh. We walked out and told them we didn't get involved with equipment not up to health code. Which was half true. Fell on a day i had an apprentice doing a ride along too. Guy was questioning his life choices after that. haha


They ended up closing down a year later. go figure. The little boost made it through for god knows how many years tho. lol

Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey

I've gone out, pried the old raggedy nasty Supco 3-in-1 out of the congealed fryer grease and roach ****, install a new 3-in-1 and the compressor took right off again.

There no pattern or coincidence to it all I don't think.


PHM
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Yep what I should of said was I've seen 3 in 1's that are over 12 years old on 25 year old compressors.

I've gone out, pried the old raggedy nasty Supco 3-in-1 out of the congealed fryer grease and roach ****, install a new 3-in-1 and the compressor took right off again.

There no pattern or coincidence to it all I don't think.

PHM
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Originally Posted by Dchappa21

I've also seen 3 in 1's on compressors that have been there for well over 12 years old and still working.

Only time I go back with the oem starting components is if its still under warranty.

Not sure of the model # for the first I mentioned. I recall it was in a Bev Air and it was a Embraco likely 1/3hp. The 2nd, Copeland AFE13CE-iaa 115v in a Traulsen freezer. In fact, I need to source this compressor this week and should probably do the cap tube while apart.

Originally Posted by Capz

I am talking bout a Supco 3 in 1. Is this what you are calling a hard start? Reason for replacing was a faulty start relay. On this unit, the compressor was abused due to dirty coil but still working. A month later it died. I chalked it up to the clogged coil but the 2nd unit, I didn't install the 3 in 1 but I know it was only in service bout 5 months with the 3 in 1 installed and last week found it dead.

I think I am going back to OE start kits. I'm not a big fan of quick fixes.

I agree, always go back OEM .. but I am curious what was the model number of the compressor or mf of start cap on said compressor, because as I stated earlier if it was an AEA4440 or other High Torque compressor you would need a Supco SS-410 they are made for high torque compressors to get you out of a bind until you can return with OEM...

Hope this Helps

Originally Posted by Capz

I seen two fractional sized compressors short out within a few months after Supco 3 in 1 kits had been installed. Coincidence?

I've also seen 3 in 1's on compressors that have been there for well over 12 years old and still working.

Only time I go back with the oem starting components is if its still under warranty.

I am talking bout a Supco 3 in 1. Is this what you are calling a hard start? Reason for replacing was a faulty start relay. On this unit, the compressor was abused due to dirty coil but still working. A month later it died. I chalked it up to the clogged coil but the 2nd unit, I didn't install the 3 in 1 but I know it was only in service bout 5 months with the 3 in 1 installed and last week found it dead.

I think I am going back to OE start kits. I'm not a big fan of quick fixes.

It has been my experience that by the time you have to have a hard start kit the compressor is on the way out. Did you check the amp draw before and / or after.

Originally Posted by Capz

I seen two fractional sized compressors short out within a few months after Supco 3 in 1 kits had been installed. Coincidence?

I seen two fractional sized compressors short out within a few months after Supco 3 in 1 kits had been installed. Coincidence?

Old Kenmore chest freezer hard start kit.

I have kenmore freezer mo#198-717646. It tries to start several times before it succeeds. According to the parts breakdown it has a start kit 482398 that is no longer available. It appears the cap is available.
Question. Is a substitute available?

The freezer was purchased in 1976. It still keeps the freezer at -3 deg. Sometimes it starts up on the first try,and other times it 3 to 6 times before it starts. I hate to buy another one if it can be fixed with a cap or a sub start kit. If I unplug it and let it sit until the compressor cools then it will start first try.

Thanks

If you are trying to put a 3 & 1 0n a Tecumseh AEA4440 The RCOs will not work because that is a high torque compressor you need to get the Supco SS-410 3 &1 as they are made for high torque compressors and then it's recommended to install the proper start components when you can get them... But the SS-410 will work to get you out of the woods...

Hope this helps...

Johnq

I'm kinda with you. Like $ 5-8 each, the right value and shape are easier to mount anyway.

Originally Posted by MontanaJon

Side question. Do you guys use the Turbo 200 capacitors or the new diverstech capacitor?

I have always stocked a large variety of caps. There cheap and i dont understand the whole one size fits all huge expensive cap thing. If i run low on caps i just parallel a couple or series them and use 2. Still less expensive using 2 than those huge turbo's.

Originally Posted by MontanaJon

Side question. Do you guys use the Turbo 200 capacitors or the new diverstech capacitor?

Let's see.... American Radionics or the brand that is too ashamed to even print made in china on the box.....

Turbo gets the job every time I need one in a pinch. Even have the big series for those Tranes that need an 80MFD. Diversitech won't even fit in most of the control sections of condensing units anyway.

Side question. Do you guys use the Turbo 200 capacitors or the new diverstech capacitor?

I have found that the Tecumseh compressors require a larger 3-n-1 than what the hp of the compressor hp. I simply love hooking one up and then "pop" goes the windings...lol They actual do make one for 220V as well, had a compressor with bad relay and no parts in town. After leaving them down for a day i had to stock one on van for next time the factory parts went out.

Originally Posted by CFESAmasterEGSR

In my past in the residential appliance world we called that a "dynamite stick" because they were guaranteed to "blow up" your compressor. But that's putting a 1/4 hp kit on like a 1/20th hp compressor. Residential don't have start capacitors, they have run caps sometimes but no starts.

This could be the start of a great discussion.

i was thinking the same thing, never seen a start cap on resi stuff. Seen the little black run caps. but ya throw a 3 in 1 on it and away she goes.

In my past in the residential appliance world we called that a "dynamite stick" because they were guaranteed to "blow up" your compressor. But that's putting a 1/4 hp kit on like a 1/20th hp compressor. Residential don't have start capacitors, they have run caps sometimes but no starts.

This could be the start of a great discussion.

Nomenclature!!

Originally Posted by ammoniadog

What you are looking for is a RCO-210.

http://www.supco.com/images/pdfs/200...0for%20Web.pdf

RelayCapacitorOverload-210.

The brand name is 3-in-1, but then Freon is a brand name too. I followed your train of thought with hard-start kit. I suppose you could say self-contained-universal-starting-component-accessory-with-inherent-thermal-overload-protection, but I'll probably stick with 3-in-1.