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Originally Posted by maxster

BS Donnally is on the tresurey board for the union and determines where that .50 cents goes into med pension or paycheck..it is all money $$$$ with 120 plus techs in his house

BS? The union has a legal fiduciary responsibility to make sure your pension
is funded to where it should be. They also have a legal fiduciary responsibility to make sure there is enough money in the coffers to pay the insurance premiums. That is why, even though they may invite a guy like Donnely onto a comittee, the comittee is always composed of a majority of union officials.
Do you really beleive the union would let the contractors decide how to fund the pension,how to invest the pension funds or pay for what kind of health insurance program you would have?

BS Donnally is on the tresurey board for the union and determines where that .50 cents goes into med pension or paycheck..it is all money $$$$ with 120 plus techs in his house

Originally Posted by maxster

all 638B guys bad mouth the union in how it it is based on the A side and we don't count,and as for going to meetings that's not happening. your told to shut up anyway if you bring something up.just go to the window where the females are to pay dues,and ask a question as B guy you always get a wise ass answer.i would drop at the counter if a BA was in when i ask to talk to one...when was the last time you saw a B guy in the monthly magazine unless he died on the back pages with that $2500 benny..that's is the union.Arist,Donnally,BP and PJ upper owners are all involved in how and where the raises go each time they come up

Maxster,
Your information is usually always correct. However, Donnely, BP and PJ's upper owners do not negotiate for the owners. Furthermore, when a dollar figure is negotiated it is the union who determines where the raise goes. If the pension fund is a little short they will take part of the raise to shore that up, etc.

Valdelocc,

It seems to me you're trying to find someone that is bashing the union and hide under a false pretense name. I got news for you THAT'S NOT ME.

Since you're good at "QUOTING" people can you find where I talked bad about the union? Please, because I think you're taking my thread out of context. I never said anything bad about the union nor am I hiding behind a computer and bad mouthing unions. I THINK YOU WOULD LIKE ME to be that person that is bad mouthing the Union and hide behind a name so, you can argue what's better union or non-union. But, this thread I started is not about that. I'm sure you'll find other threads on this site you can contribute your precious time arguing about being union or as you would call non-union workers "SCABS".

And by the looks of it you don't even have a clue what a scab really is.

Thanks

Scabs cross picket lines to displace union workers. Non-union workers are not necessarily scabs. Worked union all my life and was laid off. Took non-union jobs and I did not displace any union workers. Would have signed a representation card by any organizer at any entrance to any non-union job I've worked but I guess these shops are not worth the union's time. Going back to a union shop next week. I don't care what union you belong to, a union job is always better. Any union is better than no union.

The meaning of scab is if your on strike and you cross the picket line to work then you are a scab.

Originally Posted by maxster

all 638B guys bad mouth the union in how it it is based on the A side and we don't count,and as for going to meetings that's not happening. your told to shut up anyway if you bring something up.just go to the window where the females are to pay dues,and ask a question as B guy you always get a wise ass answer.i would drop at the counter if a BA was in when i ask to talk to one...when was the last time you saw a B guy in the monthly magazine unless he died on the back pages with that $2500 benny..that's is the union.Arist,Donnally,BP and PJ upper owners are all involved in how and where the raises go each time they come up

you guys do thing different down state, down here we have 6 service techs elected, we make sure we vote for the right guy and get along fine with our plumbers and fitters brothers, we all get pay the same with the exception of MES and over scale guys, dont get me wrong we have favoritism etc but thats everywhere union or scab.

all 638B guys bad mouth the union in how it it is based on the A side and we don't count,and as for going to meetings that's not happening. your told to shut up anyway if you bring something up.just go to the window where the females are to pay dues,and ask a question as B guy you always get a wise ass answer.i would drop at the counter if a BA was in when i ask to talk to one...when was the last time you saw a B guy in the monthly magazine unless he died on the back pages with that $2500 benny..that's is the union.Arist,Donnally,BP and PJ upper owners are all involved in how and where the raises go each time they come up

Originally Posted by MrHVA

First off thank you Maxster for the reply.

Second-
Valdelocc,

You must have a reading problem. You're copying and pasting my quote but you're failing to read and understand it. And, then you're actually quoting what I didn't type. If you read my last post I said "Almost all my life". You quoted me as " 'been union all your life' "

it looked like you were quick to jump in the thread when you ASSumed I was knocking the very union I'm a part of.




Thanks

you are right, "being union most of your life" means pretty much nothing and it relative to your birth date and by the sound of your simpleminded questions, I dare to guess you are on the young side.
You are indeed badmouthing "the very union you are part of" and thats a big no no by union rules, lots of union members read stuff here, maybe somebody from your local puts one and one together and picks your true identity from the disgruntled list, then your dream of becoming a scab may come true, no by your choice although.

your questions lead me to believe you weren't a member how long have you been in?

First off thank you Maxster for the reply.

Second-
Valdelocc,

You must have a reading problem. You're copying and pasting my quote but you're failing to read and understand it. And, then you're actually quoting what I didn't type. If you read my last post I said "Almost all my life". You quoted me as " 'been union all your life' " which if you actually read my last reply that quote is not in there. Now you're scaring me because people I know who are in a union know how to read.

MY first question that I asked(which is my thread starter) has been answered not by you but by someone else. Thanks maxster. Let me guess Maxster beat you to the answer. I got it. I understand. But, it looked like you were quick to jump in the thread when you ASSumed I was knocking the very union I'm a part of. It's OK I will let you ff the hook on this one.

BTW do you know the answers to the questions I'm asking? If not, you don't have to reply it will be OK. I will find them elsewhere. I didn't start this thread to have people like you reply negatively.

Perhaps I'll talk to my Union brothers (Oh wait I think I did that already which you also FAILED to read). Refer to Reply #5. Which would assume I have asked around my other "brothers" and didn't get the answer I was looking for hence why the thread.

I know this reply is a lot to take in. Take your time.

Thanks

Originally Posted by MrHVA

valdelocc

Is that what non-union workers are called "scabs?" I have been union almost all my life. Even when I wasn't union I was all for it. But to call non-union workers "scab" is a bit harsh. That "scab" is trying to make a living as well. That "scab" is probably trying to put a roof over his kids head as well. You're going to knock someone because they are non-union. Shows what type of person you are.

Not everyone can have the luxury of getting into a union easy because they know Bobbies Wife/Uncle's Cousin.

I did not knock the union at all. I'm just trying to find stuff out on my own that other people lack the knowledge to explain to me.

Simple as that. Don't jump to conclusions yet because I haven't.

Thanks

you "been union all your life" and dont know the answer to the very simple questions in your post? where have you been hiding?do you talk to your brothers? go to union meetings? have you ever vote?or are involved with the union at all?
I was a scab most of my life but I know whats going on with my local.

A or B when your let go the company/worker pays into the unemployment.the A guys that aren't married into a installing company are constanly boucing around. it is WHO you know with them getting jobs...not like the Metal Trades B guys in it is WHAT you know getting a job...union hall doesn't get jobs for B guys,and as said has nothing to do with union dues.there have been situations where the company lied about the tech to ace his bennies with the state and the tech got the BA involved having been involved with the tech getting abused by a boss..bigtime on the way out.going union is the only way to do it raises bennies and pension all come around 3yrs for upgrades and if your a lead tech making over scale doing OT new truck uniforms work boots,vac,sick days and you struggle with that dump the old lady or get off drugs.do it right and clean and your set for life and before you know it 20yrs shoots by...and you have a young new guy looking at you like you invented the field...if you get laid off hook up with another union shop,if you go none union then you have to keep just paying dues till you get back into the union....good story had a tech get laided off and went home to his apt.waiting on the owner to arrive to tell him he will have a problem paying the rent.guess who his owner was...the company shop steward he was P****d and he ended up quitting also.so welcome to 638...the union here is NY has been manipulated to fit all the major shops doing the big installs so everybody is happy $$$.Nelson Aire is running the UN rehab $100 Billion and they are subbing all the other union shops into the job to spread the wealth..

valdelocc

Is that what non-union workers are called "scabs?" I have been union almost all my life. Even when I wasn't union I was all for it. But to call non-union workers "scab" is a bit harsh. That "scab" is trying to make a living as well. That "scab" is probably trying to put a roof over his kids head as well. You're going to knock someone because they are non-union. Shows what type of person you are.

Not everyone can have the luxury of getting into a union easy because they know Bobbies Wife/Uncle's Cousin.

I did not knock the union at all. I'm just trying to find stuff out on my own that other people lack the knowledge to explain to me.

Simple as that. Don't jump to conclusions yet because I haven't.

Thanks

Originally Posted by MrHVA

It sounds all good when you're not in it...but once you get in...you realize did I just make a bad decision in my life? I hope I didn't. But, O well life goes on.

You have no obligation to stay union, dont like it? go back to be a scab.

Originally Posted by MrHVA

Also, if you're laid off I'm assuming you can collect unemployment? Also, I thin I read somewhere that you won't have benefits either?

thats pure BS, union or non employers are under obligation by law to pay into the unemployment funds, locally the union pitch in another $50/month and cover the cost of dues.

Thank you MAxster for your replies! You have given me more insight to this Union then anyone I work with. It sounds all good when you're not in it...but once you get in...you realize did I just make a bad decision in my life? I hope I didn't. But, O well life goes on. Maxster what would happen if say someone was to get laid off, would that person look into another company or something that deals with Local 638?

Also, if you're laid off I'm assuming you can collect unemployment? Also, I thin I read somewhere that you won't have benefits either?

Thanks

A side is a different animal the shops hire A fitters as the jobs go so they know when it is done that might be tighter were the last in first out situations..most managements within companies are connected with the union behind that cutain your not suppose to look behind... i have been thru a load of union shops over the years.. doen't phase me ny more as long as my pension gets added to...

Thanks for you reply maxster. Greatly appreciated.
So, basically if you're not liked you're gone? Even if you have a a perfect record? Will the union not back you up to get your job? Even if the 638 knew you did nothing wrong?

Other questions...

1)Does this happen to the A side?

2) Isn't a union supposed to protect you from management?

3) Maxster what company you work for if you don't mind me asking?

good rates and bennies definitly but after that the company runs it not the union.it's like just as life goes..if they like you and connected within you can blow up equipment and rock and roll.if they don't like you and focus to get you out anything from a traffic accident to hurting yourself on a job and your gone.forget about last in first out... if you jump into a company with 10-15 yrs exp and it doesn't work out your out as quick as they hired you.638B side isn't interested in the inner workings and politics of the metal Trades side.there is a major contractor in NYC the guy who runs the service group takes pictures of all his interview subjects to keep track of who he keeps and lets go over a year,with the owners deep into 638 union with connections ..no rules go there for sure

Does 638B contract have Last Hired/First Laid Off?

I'm just wondering if Local 638B have the Last Hire/First Laid Off policy? I've heard some companies at their own discretion can lay someone off no matter how many years the mechanic has been with the company. Is this true?
I mean if someone from the office(which I've heard has been done already) doesn't like you they can get rid of you with a blink of an eye? IF that is true then why be unionized?

Another thing I have heard that if you get hurt on the job that is also grounds for termination? You gotta be kidding me.

If I walk up a ladder and hurt my back on the job I'm liable to get axed?


Please, someone fill me in because I thought Local 638 was supposed to be this strong union, great benefits, good pay type of union??

Thanks!