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Well, since it lasted 112 years, whats the issue? It has already settled!!!

Originally Posted by hvacvegas

I just did a house last week where I cut 8" holes through some 10x TGI joints.
Builders quote: "as long as your 5' 8" away from the ends, your ok."
Framers quote: "....I don't know if thats exactly accurate....."

We had a new hire cut 2 - square 24"wx12"h holes out of tgi webbing in a few joists! Had to call in engineer and cost us over 7k to repair. 10 years installation experience my ass.

You can't fix stupid.

you'd be surprised how well a building holds it'self together....amazing the amount of material that can be removed without....uhhh....catastrophic failure!!LOL!!

When will the cheep bastards learn to make ALL basements 9' so there is room to run everything without cutting joists??

I just did a house last week where I cut 8" holes through some 10x TGI joints.
Builders quote: "as long as your 5' 8" away from the ends, your ok."
Framers quote: "....I don't know if thats exactly accurate....."

I've seen alot less do serious damage. THAT is incrediblely stupid.....

was working on a new building. they had four trusses tied together to support the hip trusses that came in from end at 90 angle, so half of 20' by thirty feet section of roof of building, either end, was supported at two points on top of a wall.

no spiked up column of 2x4s in wall, just normal 16" wall spacing. you could slap side of 2x4 and feel the tension on wood.


told the jobsite super and he said "good call"- they put in the columns later that day.

Originally Posted by snupytcb

where you working from prints? how does a contractor forget such an important beam, especially when you are working from prints?

don't know ,,,I was HVAC,,,,and it was back in 1993 there abouts

Originally Posted by hvacvegas

What are these "prints", that you refer to?

Joe, I saw an electrictian bore the bottom (ceiling) 2x4 of truss. In the entire house. He decided to run his wiring through the truss, instead of stapling it ontop.
Mechanical engineer had to be called in, metal nailer plates had to be installed in every single truss, for every single hole.

Seems like a lot of work lol. I haven't wired many houses but when I have we ran wire on top of the trusses also. One other Time we were remodeling a medical care facility and a guy had to put anchors In the concrete ceiling, he ran the bit through 8"s and right through the next floor lol.

Originally Posted by snupytcb

where you working from prints? how does a contractor forget such an important beam, especially when you are working from prints?

What are these "prints", that you refer to?

Joe, I saw an electrictian bore the bottom (ceiling) 2x4 of truss. In the entire house. He decided to run his wiring through the truss, instead of stapling it ontop.
Mechanical engineer had to be called in, metal nailer plates had to be installed in every single truss, for every single hole.

Years ago we had a guy cut all the webbing out on a bunch of trusses to run duct, they had to have an engineer come in to find a solution.

Originally Posted by mikeacman

I know a guy that did that on a retro job in a house that went from hydronic to forced air....

Cut a beam under the kitchen and instantly you could set a tennis ball on the floor and it would roll towards his cut ...

Had to hire a company to come in ,jack it back up ,and repair it . The boss was furious!

Was in another new construction house that was about 8000 sq feet ,,,,one day the general said everybody out now!... They forgot a main beam un the basement .... They were able to get it in and the house never suffered . He said it should have fallen down . The noticed noises and sagging as they added weight to the house and I guess they stopped before the tipping point.

Someone is gonna do that one day and DIE!

where you working from prints? how does a contractor forget such an important beam, especially when you are working from prints?

You know, sometimes you have just got to stop and wonder. Are people who do things like that, really that damn stupid.

I know a guy that did that on a retro job in a house that went from hydronic to forced air....

Cut a beam under the kitchen and instantly you could set a tennis ball on the floor and it would roll towards his cut ...

Had to hire a company to come in ,jack it back up ,and repair it . The boss was furious!

Was in another new construction house that was about 8000 sq feet ,,,,one day the general said everybody out now!... They forgot a main beam un the basement .... They were able to get it in and the house never suffered . He said it should have fallen down . The noticed noises and sagging as they added weight to the house and I guess they stopped before the tipping point.

Someone is gonna do that one day and DIE!

I had a general contractor ask me to do same thing. I told him he is dropping the ceiling.

You guys are always complaining there's never enough return and now you're complaining about putting in a return....Just like a woman. Never satisfied

whats above it? it sure looks like a ho special. the duct tape gave it away.

taking bets when the house falls down

took this today in a 112 yr old house. seems they needed to cut the main beam to get that return in. you cant see the 2x6 nailed to the joist on either side of the beam to keep it from falling. i also like the 1x4 there thats holding up the floor boards.