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you might consider the reftec diablo. ive used the appion g5 and would say its a good machine, but the reftec is just as quick if not quicker.... plus its American made!!
Originally Posted by lytning Making your own unit must be recorded to the EPA. Always had to send in a card when I bought a new machine to register it. What happened to that? It's not a substitute for a proper recovery unit, but an accessory for one. (Technically, dry ice could recover most refrigerants to EPA levels without the help of a pump.)
Making your own unit must be recorded to the EPA. Always had to send in a card when I bought a new machine to register it. What happened to that? Originally Posted by NiHaoMike A friend of mine (former HVAC tech, now a HVAC engineer) sets the recovery tank in a cooler of ice. She even once used dry ice when time was running short. A method that does not require making a trip to the nearest grocery store every time might be to hack a cheap window A/C into a recovery assist device. Recover the charge from that, replace the existing evaporator with a spiral of copper tubing that fits tightly around the recovery tank, add a TXV, then find some way to neatly package it. Or wrap the tank in a towel and pour water on it to make use of evaporative cooling, possibly with a fan to enhance cooling on calm days.
CPS makes this thing which is more or less a cooler to use in recovery: http://www.cpsproducts.com/product/recovery-MT69/ I put this after the recover pump and before the cylinder... If it is a hot day, put it in a bucket of water. Seems to solve the issue. Couple of local supply houses have a free ice machine (fill your ice chest). I use the ice in a bucket for recovery on really hot days. Wish we would have some hot days in Atlanta... so far we have yet to reach design temp (92*). We have only had one day in the 90's this year. OTOH: Not by any means do I want to work in the SW part of the country... Part costs a little over a C note.
CPS makes this thing which is more or less a cooler to use in recovery: http://www.cpsproducts.com/product/recovery-MT69/ I put this after the recover pump and before the cylinder... If it is a hot day, put it in a bucket of water. Seems to solve the issue. Part costs a little over a C note.
Originally Posted by penderway The G5 is great, the push pull method is great, but even the weakest recovery machine will do an acceptable job if you apply heat (via a heat gun) to the accumulator and compressor and run the indoor fan. Do this while cooling your recovery tank with trickling water from a tap. A friend of mine (former HVAC tech, now a HVAC engineer) sets the recovery tank in a cooler of ice. She even once used dry ice when time was running short. A method that does not require making a trip to the nearest grocery store every time might be to hack a cheap window A/C into a recovery assist device. Recover the charge from that, replace the existing evaporator with a spiral of copper tubing that fits tightly around the recovery tank, add a TXV, then find some way to neatly package it. Or wrap the tank in a towel and pour water on it to make use of evaporative cooling, possibly with a fan to enhance cooling on calm days.
Bought my first unit in 93 or 4. Bought a G5 last December. Best unit ever and I have had many from then till now, even some home made. The G5 will pay for itself.
Originally Posted by jtrammel Even if you get one that's "not working" it can likely be fixed for under $100 and they're easy to rebuild. X2 Appions are EASY to rebuild, and the factory folks are very supportive. If $$$ is an issue, get an old one and rebuild it. They are more than worth the effort to have.
Originally Posted by Frostmonkey74 Recovery and Reclaim are two. Completely different things.. .. X2 Definition of terms is one of the very few things one must know for epa certification. The G5 is great, the push pull method is great, but even the weakest recovery machine will do an acceptable job if you apply heat (via a heat gun) to the accumulator and compressor and run the indoor fan. Do this while cooling your recovery tank with trickling water from a tap. The key to fast recovery is turning the liquid refrigerant into a gas while in the system and from a gas to a liquid while in the tank.
Originally Posted by ryan1088 Another vote for the g5 twin on eBay. Bought mine a few years back for 300 bucks and it's a beast. Even if you get one that's "not working" it can likely be fixed for under $100 and they're easy to rebuild.
4 ton and under, stinger 2000, complete recover under 15 min's (again ebay few hundred dollars) wish i had a g5, if you find one for 300 get it!
Personal opinion, your boss wants you to buy it, he needs to help you buy it. AKA buy it on the company account at local supplier, and make payments, automatically withdrawn from your check every week.
I too have owned and used g5 for years, on very large recovers they are great! My vote also. My next will vac pump will be the tez8. Appion makes great equip.
Originally Posted by timebuilder And of course, any recovery tanks!!!! Add ladders onto that list too.
Originally Posted by timebuilder The only things in my truck that I don't own are the N and B tanks. And of course, any recovery tanks!!!!
Another vote for the g5 twin on eBay. Bought mine a few years back for 300 bucks and it's a beast.
G5 twin. Is the best. I have used most of them out there. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Originally Posted by hvac wiz 79 Like other stated its recovery. But that's pretty lame you have to buy your own. Especially considering most companies I've ever worked for charge a recovery fee. Just my thought anyway Sent from my SGH-T999L using Tapatalk 2 The only things in my truck that I don't own are the N and B tanks. I like it that way.
Originally Posted by dartbyu New job wants me to buy a reclaim unt. Ive used Appion G5 and they are great, but I cant afford that right now. What do you recommend . Doing res and commercial work Thanks Stick with the G5. Trust me on this.
Originally Posted by walden.raccoon Is it slow even with push-pull recovery? O.o Its quicker except for set up and then once liquid is gone you have to swap hoses and recover the vapor, which is slow slow. With the appion you hook it up go do something and in 10 minutes or so its empty. Doesn't matter if liquid or vapor, it drinks liquid and swallows vapor and doesn't miss a beat. Hands down the g5 is the best recovery machine on the market IMO.
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